The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

[oldrider]

DONALD TRUMP DECLARES NATIONAL EMERGENCY????? - there are a lot of these reports cropping up on the nett.

[sugilite:Me]

Well, look at my location, I'm in the middle of it. Located in a small (by US standards) Farming community in the mid south. In other words what would be considered a Trump stronghold. I have been here a year now and here is the thing - First up I noticed how they celebrate patriotism here - every 3rd to 4th home at least has a flag or such like. They support their local sports teams to the max, right down to local school level. Bumper stickers and number plate surrounds abound for their sports teams, war vets (huge), USA flags and the like. How many Trump bumper stickers, MAGA hats, T-shirts and the like have I seen here in the last year. Just one lonely Trump bumper sticker - that's it. No one brings him up in conversation, most seem to be embarrassed to talk about it. The most common thing "folks" want to know around here is A: Where I'm from?, Followed by huh, why leave paradise for here?, and then What church do I go to?
If Trump has this huge blue collar following, I'm sure not seeing it around these parts, or any other place I have traveled through in the mid south.

[pritch]

DONALD TRUMP DECLARES NATIONAL EMERGENCY????? - there are a lot of these reports cropping up on the nett.

Not anywhere I've looked John. Even if he did declare one it would immediately be challenged in court because any idiot, apart from him and the half-wit journo who suggested it, can see that there isn't one.

He is going to travel down to look at the border now though - only two years after he took office...

[husaberg]

Not anywhere I've looked John. Even if he did declare one it would immediately be challenged in court because any idiot, apart from him and the half-wit journo who suggested it, can see that there isn't one.

He is going to travel down to look at the border now though - only two years after he took office...

The stuff oldie posts isnt necessarily connected with reality. Think of it as fodder for the gullible tin foilers and other religious nutters
The headlines clickbait for conspiracy idiots. it says a thing which is not actually what has occurred in the story itself yet the conspiracy theorists are not generally clever enough to figure that out.
Spreading this sort of fake conspiracy news doesn't worry him as he has a very tenuous grip on reality and genuinely seems lack the ability to comprehend the differences of conspiracy and reality anyway.

[oldrider]

The stuff oldie posts isnt necessarily connected with reality. Think of it as fodder for the gullible tin foilers and other religious nutters
The headlines clickbait for conspiracy idiots. it says a thing which is not actually what has occurred in the story itself yet the conspiracy theorists are not generally clever enough to figure that out.
Spreading this sort of fake conspiracy news doesn't worry him as he has a very tenuous grip on reality and genuinely seems lack the ability to comprehend the differences of conspiracy and reality anyway.

Top marks for consistency When you have nothing to say - say nothing - take your place "permanently" at the top of the class.

[husaberg]

Top marks for consistency When you have nothing to say - say nothing - take your place "permanently" at the top of the class.

Thats rather ironic considering the unsolicited conspiracy tripe to continually post on KB.
Also rather hypocritical considering when you are challenged about most of its racially motivated content and the lack of evidence to support it's content, you refuse to answer questions about either it content or your motivation to continually post the drivel.

[pritch]

Vice President Pence said this morning that the White House counsel's office is looking into the legality of Trump's declaring an emergency. That's interesting in itself because that office is there to protect the institution of the presidency, rather than whoever happens to be president at the time.

Word is that Trump is telling his people he wants a way out of this mess without looking as if he caved in. That could be a good trick.

[sugilite:Me]

Should be quite easy to thwart that through the courts, legally he has to "Prove" a crisis exists. Akin to how most of his attempts at implementing a travel ban got swatted down.

[Swoop]

Walls are a sign of pathetic incompetent government...

Have you seen the video of Bill Clinton (as Prez) publicly saying a proper wall with Mexico was needed? After that there is Obama publicly saying a wall to decrease illegal immigration was needed?
It is a regular topic to drum up support, just that trump is following through with a campaign promise... (most unusual for a politician of ANY colour!).

First up I noticed how they celebrate patriotism here - every 3rd to 4th home at least has a flag or such like.

Yes, quite nice really. Australia has far more national flags flying there as well. NZ could take a lesson from both of them...

Someone I knew decided to "souvenir" a US flag from the roof of a hotel. After getting onto the roof he decided that he would possibly get shot for doing this, so nicked a Kalifornia Respooblik flag instead (far safer).

[husaberg]

It is a regular topic to drum up support, just that trump is following through with a campaign promise... (most unusual for a politician of ANY colour!).

The wall campaign promise was not jut i am going to build a wall
"I would build a great wall, and nobody builds walls better than me, believe me, and I’ll build them very inexpensively. I will build a great great wall on our southern border and I’ll have Mexico pay for that wall."

Donald Trump now requests Congress $18 billion for border barriers.

Trump gave varying figures for the cost of the wall during the campaign, from $8 billion to $12 billion.

Yet
The $18 billion for the border barrier is part of a $33 billion package, which also requests $5.7 billion for towers, surveillance equipment and other technology; $1 billion for road construction and maintenance; and $8.5 billion for border security personnel, according to The Wall Street Journal.


Buts lets see

Sept. 14, 2015
“So, let’s say it costs $4 or $5 billion. Our trade deficit with Mexico is $53 billion. So $4 or $5 billion is peanuts.” — Speech in Dallas

Oct. 7, 2015
“You mean to tell me I can’t take $7 billion and build a wall?” — Speech in Waterloo, Iowa

Oct. 14, 2015
“If the wall costs $6 billion to build, and you know we’re talking about 1,000 miles, it’s 2,000, but you need it on 1,000. The Great Wall of China, think of it, is 13,000 miles.” — Speech in Richmond, Va.

Feb. 9, 2016
“The wall is probably $8 billion.” — Interview on MSNBC

Feb. 17, 2016
Nov. 2, 2017
“First of all, they say the wall is going to cost $40 billion — the Democrats are saying. We’re talking less than half.” — Interview on Fox News
Jan. 18, 2018 Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
....The Wall will be paid for, directly or indirectly, or through longer term reimbursement, by Mexico, which has a ridiculous $71 billion dollar trade surplus with the U.S. The $20 billion dollar Wall is “peanuts” compared to what Mexico makes from the U.S. NAFTA is a bad joke!

The height of the proposed wall has roughly doubled and could grow even higher.
Jan. 16, 2016
“China built a wall that’s 13,000 miles long 2,000 years ago. My ambition is for ours to be much higher.” — Speech in Myrtle Beach, S.C. The height of the Great Wall of China averages 20 to 23 feet. Its tallest point is 46 feet.

Feb. 9, 2016
“I’m talking about precasts going up probably 35 to 40 feet up in the air. That’s high. That’s a real wall.” — Interview on MSNBC

Feb. 12, 2016
“The wall just got 10 feet higher.” — Speech in Tampa, Fla., after the former Mexican president said Mexico would not pay for it.

March 3, 2016
“But — and I used an example. And this isn’t necessarily what was said, but whatever was said, the wall’s 50 feet high. Is it going to be 45 feet or 40 feet? That could very well be. That could very well — he wants it to be higher.” — Republican presidential debate

March 30, 2016
Reporter: How high is this wall going to be lately? How high is it —

Mr. Trump: I think a good 35 feet. It’s getting higher all the time.

— Town hall on MSNBC

Jan. 11, 2018
“If you have a wall this thick and it’s solid concrete from ground to 32 feet high, which is a high wall, much higher than people planned. You go 32 feet up and you don’t know who’s over here. You’re here, you’ve got the wall and there’s some other people here.” — Interview with The Wall Street Journal

As for Obama i dont think he mentioned a wall well not in the quote i seen

In a series of tweets, Mr. Trump quoted Mr. Obama in 2005 saying, “We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked.”

He quoted Mrs. Clinton in 2015 saying, “I voted, when I was a Senator, to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in.”

[Swoop]

As for Obama i dont think he mentioned a wall well not in the quote i seen

All of the past prez. candidates have used it as an electioneering promise. (still looking for the vid I saw of their speeches).

Of interest is the change of immigration status caused by the leftists in '96.
https://www.vox.com/2016/4/28/115151...on-immigration

[husaberg]

All of the past prez. candidates have used it as an electioneering promise. (still looking for the vid I saw of their speeches).

Of interest is the change of immigration status caused by the leftists in '96.
https://www.vox.com/2016/4/28/115151...on-immigration

Did you watch the video nothing about a wall
Did you see the statement issued today from thefour ex presidents that Trump claimed they had said a wall was a good idea none of them even said they had talked to trump about a wall ever.
https://people.com/politics/donald-t...g-border-wall/

The facts:
President Donald Trump's recent claim that his predecessors endorsed his idea of a wall at the Mexican border got no support from the ex-presidents' club.

Trump stated in a Rose Garden news conference Friday: "This should have been done by all of the presidents that preceded me. And they all know it. Some of them have told me that we should have done it."
The four living ex-presidents do not back him up on this claim.

- "I have not discussed the border wall with President Trump, and do not support him on the issue," said Jimmy Carter.

- "The answer is no," said Angel Urena, speaking for Bill Clinton. "In fact, they've not talked since the inauguration."

- George W. Bush has not discussed the wall with Trump, said spokesman Freddy Ford.

Barack Obama – Yesterday, a spokesperson for Obama explicitly rejected Trump’s claim and reiterated his opposition to the wall via a statement from his office.
Obama,infact has not spoken with Trump since his inauguration, except for a brief exchange at George H.W. Bush’s funeral in Washington, D.C.
Vice President Pence was asked on the “Today” show Tuesday morning which previous presidents had told President Trump they wanted to build a wall. Pence did not give a direct answer.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/07/p...all/index.html
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/every-l...ting-the-wall/


President Trump has made 6,420 false or misleading claims over 649 days
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.cc2a41ddd97f

In an interview with the Wall Street Journal, Trump emphatically denied he had imposed many tariffs. “I mean, other than some tariffs on steel — which is actually small, what do we have? . . . Where do we have tariffs? We don’t have tariffs anywhere,” he insisted. The newspaper responded by printing a list of $305 billion tariffs on many types of U.S. imports.

[pritch]

Doncha just love it?

https://mavenroundtable.io/theintell...EagFEpDcixuvA/

[husaberg]

Doncha just love it?

https://mavenroundtable.io/theintell...EagFEpDcixuvA/

Trump has taken an aggressive anti-immigration stance as president. Meanwhile the Trump Winery in Virginia—now owned by Eric Trump—last week filed a petition with the Department of Labor to hire six more foreign guest workers at the winery, BuzzFeed News reported.

[pritch]

That was interesting too. I'd read about Ms Morales recently. What I like about the report I posted is that this is his golf club in New Jersey. The prosecutors there have passed the details to Mueller's team, but if the NJ state Attorney General goes after him that would be more serious. Trump can, in theory at least, pardon himself for federal crimes. He cannot pardon himself, or anybody else, for state crimes. Already the New York AG is after him, here's hoping the NJ AG gets with the programme too.