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    Quote Originally Posted by oldrider View Post
    Unprecedented: US Forces Peacefully Hand Over Key Syrian City to Russians, Syrians https://russia-insider.com/en/unprec...eid=4030a10227 - (All wars are bankers wars?)

    Was it not the Syrian's city to begin with until Obama, McCain and Hillary decided ISIS was a good terrorist group to fund and supply and be their pet army?

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    Quote Originally Posted by austingtir View Post
    ^^
    Why would he need to go quietly in 2020 if like in 2016 he gets the majority of the vote?

    I would think it might be time for the people on the other side to give up the shenanigans at that stage yet here you are talking about civil war?


    TDS at its finest right here.
    History will flip Trump Derangement Syndrome towards the people that actually believed in Trump. You might want to pre-book some counseling sessions.

    Where are those recordings you mentioned? not released? No surprise there.

    Looks like Trump is running out of people that are willing to lie for him.
    The no quid pro texter coming out to say Trump dictated that text message, the previous Ambassador to Ukraine shining a light into the murky Trump cesspool and finally Bolton about to fuck Trump, and it looks like he is dispensing with the courtesy of using any Vaseline.
    Interesting times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    History will flip Trump Derangement Syndrome towards the people that actually believed in Trump. You might want to pre-book some counseling sessions.

    Where are those recordings you mentioned? not released? No surprise there.

    Looks like Trump is running out of people that are willing to lie for him.
    The no quid pro texter coming out to say Trump dictated that text message, the previous Ambassador to Ukraine shining a light into the murky Trump cesspool and finally Bolton about to fuck Trump, and it looks like he is dispensing with the courtesy of using any Vaseline.
    Interesting times.
    I posted it in the other thread. Theres only two recording's (part 1) been released so far and its pretty damning for your communist mates at CNN.

    In a free society it's okay to hold a personal grudge against Donald Trump if you wish. It is NOT OK to wield the entire power of a news media corporation in a vendetta against the duly elected President Of the United States of America.


    [Notice the weinstein logo in the background? (and the semi retarded look on his face... His face is as crooked and as ethical as his journalism).... anybody with any intelligence might think this is probably not a good horse to back!] But not old sugilite he's going to ride this horse until it drops dead.



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    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    Interesting times.
    Not least because in addition to a couple of Trump Towers, there are US nukes in Turkey.

    According to Russian sources the US left their base in Manbij, Syria, intact. It has now been occupied by Russian mercenaries. Here's hoping the Yanks did a better job of destroying their documents than they did when they left Saigon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    Not least because in addition to a couple of Trump Towers, there are US nukes in Turkey.

    According to Russian sources the US left their base in Manbij, Syria, intact. It has now been occupied by Russian mercenaries. Here's hoping the Yanks did a better job of destroying their documents than they did when they left Saigon.


    I saw that story the other day and put it to fake news.

    Is Turkey really this stupid?

    All donald has to do is go ok then we'll just let them go off. Problem solved.

    Threatening a nuclear superpower with confiscating their nukes which they still have complete control of on their military base....

    And people fall for this shit?

    This is 100% russian propaganda because they sure as shit dont want those nukes there.

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    Realities of divide and conquer - how they actually do it to us?

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    Part 2

    CNN staff dont even believe a word of what they put up.... Surprise surprise.

    https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/s...40878685888512

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    Quote Originally Posted by austingtir View Post
    ^^
    Why would he need to go quietly in 2020 if like in 2016 he gets the majority of the vote?

    I would think it might be time for the people on the other side to give up the shenanigans at that stage yet here you are talking about civil war?


    TDS at its finest right here.


    I not sure whats more crazy people that cant decide what bathroom to use thinking they are going to beat Trump supporters in a civil war or your posts on here?

    It's Trump's supporters who are talking about civil war if he is not re-elected ... and Trump has retweeted such comments ... Do you seriously think it is a good idea for a president to retweet such comments? It only inflames the situation - he should be speaking against such comments ..

    I can recommend a good Reading for Comprehension course in Rotorua for you - I think you need it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banditbandit View Post
    It's Trump's supporters who are talking about civil war if he is not re-elected ... and Trump has retweeted such comments ... Do you seriously think it is a good idea for a president to retweet such comments? It only inflames the situation - he should be speaking against such comments ..

    I can recommend a good Reading for Comprehension course in Rotorua for you - I think you need it.
    It seems your the one requiring the comprehension course that was purely a reply to sugilites deranged ramblings. IE he was the one that brought up civil war not me.


    You should try to keep up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by austingtir View Post
    It seems your the one requiring the comprehension course that was purely a reply to sugilites deranged ramblings. IE he was the one that brought up civil war not me.


    You should try to keep up.
    No ..

    Of course we are talking about civil war - Trump's supporters brought it up - those of us who disagree with Trump, his supporters and tactics can't help but talk about this - it's a serious situation ..

    ANd then there's Trump's own statements -

    "President Donald Trump said on Tuesday that there would be chaos across the country if he were impeached.

    “I’m not concerned, no,” the president told Reuters reporters about his potential impeachment during an interview in the Oval Office. “I think that the people would revolt if that happened.”

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...-house-1058779



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    Quote Originally Posted by Banditbandit View Post
    It's Trump's supporters who are talking about civil war if he is not re-elected ... and Trump has retweeted such comments ... Do you seriously think it is a good idea for a president to retweet such comments? It only inflames the situation - he should be speaking against such comments ..

    I can recommend a good Reading for Comprehension course in Rotorua for you - I think you need it.
    I think you are reading the part that you want and missing the deeper issue:

    Would it not be fair to say that the Democrats have tried multiple times to unseat Trump using non-democratic means?

    Further to that, Each time they have tried, they have been unsuccessful and each consecutive attempt makes them look more and more like sore losers who are actively trying to subvert the US democratic process and gain power for themselves?

    When there is talk of Civil War - it's for that reason, And the Democrats are doing everything they can to light the flames - with talks of Firearm Confiscations, openly espousing Socialistic/Communistic policies etc.

    Add to that you have a definitive bias against Trump from a large number of prominent Media outlets, When you keep attacking a group, when you call them Deplorables, racists, Homophobes etc. without justification, when you continually omit, lie, misrepresent things in order to generate outrage and further divisiveness and finally when you mount an assault on the 2nd amendment - you should not be surprised people are talking of Civil War.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banditbandit View Post
    "President Donald Trump said on Tuesday that there would be chaos across the country if he were impeached.

    “I’m not concerned, no,” the president told Reuters reporters about his potential impeachment during an interview in the Oval Office. “I think that the people would revolt if that happened.”
    I think Trump is correct when he says this - and I don't think this counts as calling for a Civil War, it's a statement of fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banditbandit View Post
    No ..

    Of course we are talking about civil war - Trump's supporters brought it up - those of us who disagree with Trump, his supporters and tactics can't help but talk about this - it's a serious situation ..

    ANd then there's Trump's own statements -

    "President Donald Trump said on Tuesday that there would be chaos across the country if he were impeached.

    “I’m not concerned, no,” the president told Reuters reporters about his potential impeachment during an interview in the Oval Office. “I think that the people would revolt if that happened.”

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...-house-1058779



    I don't have any problem keeping up with someone who doesn't own a bike ..

    Exactly Trumps got nothing to be concerned about because the dems have got nothing. They are being exposed more and more with everday that passes as complete frauds.


    BTW I posted pics on here of my bike. It just doesnt work so theres nothing much to talk about.

    + its more fun in here winding you shills up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    I think you are reading the part that you want and missing the deeper issue:
    No - The Deeper Issue is the point.

    Would it not be fair to say that the Democrats have tried multiple times to unseat Trump using non-democratic means?
    No - the only way they can unseat Trump is by impeachment - and they have not yet tried that - just starting now.

    Further to that, Each time they have tried, they have been unsuccessful and each consecutive attempt makes them look more and more like sore losers who are actively trying to subvert the US democratic process and gain power for themselves?
    No. The accusation they are sore losers comes from Trump and his close supporters - the average Trump supporter just buys into his bullshit. He's a serial liar - has been shown to be many times .. a President who lies is an issue, no matter what party they come from.

    When there is talk of Civil War - it's for that reason, And the Democrats are doing everything they can to light the flames - with talks of Firearm Confiscations, openly espousing Socialistic/Communistic policies etc.
    No. The president is acting against the interests of the USA .. many examples.

    The negative impact he is having on the economy

    The abandonment of allies to be exterminated by Turkey ..

    Threats to imprison political opponents for treason is a characteristic of dictatorial regimes. They do not belong in a Western democracy.

    His refusal to follow the law and cooperate with the investigation (if he is innocent what has he got to hide?)



    Add to that you have a definitive bias against Trump from a large number of prominent Media outlets, When you keep attacking a group, when you call them Deplorables, racists, Homophobes etc. without justification,
    I disagree - there is plenty of justification .


    when you continually omit, lie, misrepresent things in order to generate outrage and further divisiveness and finally when you mount an assault on the 2nd amendment - you should not be surprised people are talking of Civil War.
    Are you meaning Trump here? (except for the last part about guns)


    The claimed role of the news media in a democracy is to hold politicians to account ...

    Do you know what the 2nd Amendment actually says?

    In case - here it is ..

    "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
    This was written at a time when the US forces, which were largely volunteer militias with a small standing army, had defeated the might of Pomlandia ... The writers recognized the need for such militia - and armed citizens were very useful to fight off external enemies ..

    This has been reinterpreted as the right to defend yourself against an oppressive government (oh - right - this was why the Black Power Movement armed themselves ..

    And again reinterpreted as the right to shoot fellow citizens you feel threatened by ..

    So - I would insist that all citizens who have guns belong to a recognized militia - and undergo regular training - so they are capable of defending the country .. Yeah - that would go down like a lead balloon wouldn't it ..

    But the US now has a very large standing army, air force and navy - Militias are no longer needed - and would probably get in the way - and get wiped out very quickly ..

    Seriously - do you think this guy would be any use at all to defend the country?




    Defend yourself against the Government? Shit - that worked well at Ruby Ridge and Waco, Texas, didn't it ..


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    If there was a Civil war tomorrow - what would be the instigating factor?

    For the UK - it would be the failure (and opposition) of the government to deliver Brexit.
    For NZ - it would be pissing on the rights of law-abiding Citizens.
    For the US - The only thing that springs to mind would be instigation from the likes of ANTIFA.

    None of which I don't think can be ascribed to Trump, or the rise in (supposedly) Right-wing populism. If anything, the rise is as a reaction to the Post-Modern assault on everything to do with the West.

    FWIW - on a Political Test - I, too, am ever so slightly left-of-centre. The only reason I appear Right-wing these days is because of just how far Left the Left has gone.
    I'm not entirely sure why you went down the if there was a civil war tomorrow angle - concluding at the end that none of it could be ascribed to Trump - like huh, odd?
    I was meaning if Trump is so thin skinned his ego cannot handle the rejection of an election and he digs in. And if nothing else, he has shown he is extremely egotistical and thinned skin.

    You mention the likes of ANTIFA, but would that not swing around to the likes of the far right extremest groups once Trump is gone? Far right leaning loonies are already responsible for a scary amount of mass shootings.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    I partially agree with the first part - mainly because it's so very difficult to differentiate those who want Power to be a force for good in the world vs those who want Power to be a force of Tyranny.

    On the second part, however, this links into my comment about post-modern philosophy - the current 'Climate Crisis' is just another extension of this - the Educational institutes have long been on the Left, the number of Marxist Academics borders on Shameful - and what we see is Children being taught this defeatist, misanthropic worldview, which gives them a warped perspective.

    However (without knowing how old your Children are) Nature tends to do very well when it comes to that Fight.
    Imo, there is two different kinds of polly, the one who wants power and when they get it, use it unwisely, or to their own ends. And the other who has good intentions, but when they find out that one little fish swimming against the corrupt current cannot make a difference they either die inside, or go fuck it and join the corrupt mob.

    My eldest is 28, he is not interested in bringing up a family with what he sees in the future, and that goes a long way beyond climate change.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    Extremely Long Bow? I agree it's a bit of a stretch, however - look at his other public comments - he's long claimed that he was fed-up with America footing the Bill for everything. Low and Behold, he gets Mexico to start looking after it's part to play with Illegal Immigration.

    We also have to put this in context - his ultimate goal is stop drastically reduce illegal Immigration to the US, as such, anything that aids that Goal (Wall, Federales etc.) that he has been a causal factor in, is a success.
    It is my opinion that Trump does not care anywhere near as much about illegal immigration as much as you give him credit for. It is just a pressure point he can push to rally voters to his side. His golfing businesses certainly have not been shy use the cheap services of illegal immigrants, and that will just be the tip of the ice berg. Nor do I feel that Trump used the "Mexico will pay for the wall" as a threat to spurn Mexico into making the changes he wants them too. Moreover, it made the policy acceptable to the gullible base that were thinking, yaaaay free wall, wahooo!

    If you had kids and they were kicking their rugby balls over to my property, and I said "I'm going to build a wall and you are going to pay for it" and for the sake of calming Mr Cranky down, you got your kids to stop that shit. If I (aptly named Mr Crankey) Then came over and said, see I told you that you would pay for the wall (that does not exist) - I wonder how you would interpret that? I'm thinking it would not be "Dang Mt Crankey is right, I did pay for that non existent wall".

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    I hate to repeat myself, but so-far, his lack of starting any additional wars put's him way ahead of every president that springs to mind since the early 1980s
    OK, I agree, he has not started a new war and that is good. Possibly because one does not suit his agenda, if it were too, I have no doubt he would loose any sleep in starting one. Pure speculation at best. I'm just going on his proven inability to empathize, with his paper towel throwing to hurricane disaster survivors and the recently orphaned baby happy face photo opportunities.

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