The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

[pzkpfw]

Okay, fair point - so let us both not ascribe things to each other then?

Let me try a different tack, perhaps I wasn't clear in what I meant - Not liking Trump is fine, that's your right.

Groovy. I appreciate your reasonable discussion.

Using a dislike of Trump to then spur multiple spurious attempts to get him removed from office simply because you don't like him and can't accept the election result - is not fine.

I can agree with that.

The thing is, I don't think that's what's going on.

From what I see, they get evidence of possible wrong-doing ... and investigate. As they should.

If after the Impeachment process (if he Wins), you maintain a Dislike of Trump, that's completely okay - but will you accept that he is the Legitimate President and oppose further tactics and politicing to remove him from office? Will you denounce the reports of him that are full of half-truths deliberately omitted, to make him look bad?

If you will not vindicate him if he wins, then what point is there?

If the impeachment investigation fails to provide evidence worthy of impeachment *, I will happily say he should not be impeached.

Heck, I can even agree right now he's (technically **) the legitimate president of the U.S.

But ... that does not mean that further evidence of other possible crimes should not be investigated.

Being innocent of one crime ... or even if one were universally "liked" ... does not make one innocent of all potential crimes.



(* Of course, even if it does, actions could by stymied by the Republicans, as they seem to love power and Trump more than their country.)

(** There was interference, so his presidency is at the very least tainted. It's a big issue for Democracy in the current World.)


Can I recommend this forum: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...isplay.php?f=6
It's got people on both side participating.

[pzkpfw]

No Austin, he is not saying that at all. You are putting words in his mouth.
I guarantee you, if it were flipped, and the democrats were asking Ukraine to investigate and get dirt on Trump, you would be singing Vindmans praises and hailing him as a true patriot. You not being able to get past the left is wrong, right is correct in every instance is blinding you to the truth.

I saw a great comment in the forum I just linked ( http://www.internationalskeptics.com...isplay.php?f=6 ).

Someone was wondering how people could see/hear what Trump says/does and still come out in support.

It was then compared to wrestling. Everybody knows it's fake, but they sort of make themselves believe because they want to.

(I think the Venn diagram of wrestling fans and Trump supporters would have a pretty good overlap too!)

[Katman]

(** There was interference, so his presidency is at the very least tainted. It's a big issue for Democracy in the current World.)

Perhaps America should have a good long think about that before they go interfering again in the elections of any other countries.

[austingtir]

Perhaps America should have a good long think about that before they go interfering again in the elections of any other countries.

Jesus that's wishful thinking. What are the 23000 employed at the pentagon going to do with their days if they dont have a few pawn countries to destablize?

[Woodman]

Jesus that's wishful thinking. What are the 23000 employed at the pentagon going to do with their days if they dont have a few pawn countries to destablize?

Sit around wondering why there are no more terrorists?

[austingtir]

Sit around wondering why there are no more terrorists?

Oh but theres always more terrorists. Pelosi and co were just over in jordan dropping off more weapons and cash for the next round.

[Woodman]

Oh but theres always more terrorists. Pelosi and co were just over in jordan dropping off more weapons and cash for the next round.

I reckon they should try and interfere with nz. Always thought we would make pretty good terrorists.

[austingtir]

^^

The greens voters would if they knew how to use or even owned guns..... Marama Davidson and Golriz would have all us old white men rounded up and off to the gulags for sure.

[Woodman]

^^

The greens voters would if they knew how to use or even owned guns..... Marama Davidson and Golriz would have all us old white men rounded up and off to the gulags for sure.

Nah, us old white men will be dead soon enough. The new gen will look after the place better.

[Katman]

I reckon they should try and interfere with nz. Always thought we would make pretty good terrorists.

I'd be a General.

[Woodman]

Also you don't need guns to be a good terrorist, a few Stanley knives and some planes works a treat.

[Katman]

Also you don't need guns to be a good terrorist, a few Stanley knives and some planes works a treat.

I'll bring hammers and screwdrivers.

[Woodman]

I'd be a General.

General nuisance. Which technically what a terrorist is.

[Katman]

General nuisance. Which technically what a terrorist is.

Careful - I'm watching Narcos at the moment.

[Woodman]

Careful - I'm watching Narcos at the moment.

Wtf is narcos?