The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

[austingtir]

Nah, us old white men will be dead soon enough. The new gen will look after the place better.

Did you see the clown world vid I posted in the other thread. Some of the next generation are a real worry imo. Not all though.


The problem with "looking after the place better" is that its going to be rooted in communist idealogies and its not going to go how the people like extinction rebellion, Antifa and Greta thumberg think its going to go.


The cocks dancing around and getting their comeuppance on those trains in britain is a good example of what will really happen.

Because most people realize survival is not necessarily tied to "looking after the place better". Which means groups like extinction rebellion and people following Greta will always be the 1% (just like the supposed elite actually but way less influential) and probably some of them even mean well but they will be used as playthings by those that dont.

[Woodman]

Did you see the clown world vid I posted in the other thread. Some of the next generation are a real worry imo. Not all though.


The problem with "looking after the place better" is that its going to be rooted in communist idealogies and its not going to go how the people like extinction rebellion, Antifa and Greta thumberg think its going to go.


The cocks dancing around and getting their comeuppance on those trains in britain is a good example of what will really happen.

Because most people realize survival is not necessarily tied to "looking after the place better". Which means groups like extinction rebellion and people following Greta will always be the 1% (just like the supposed elite actually but way less influential) and probably some of them even mean well but they will be used as playthings by those that dont.

Oh there is going to be a brawl, and don't think the greenies won't take up arms. They will. Climate change and biodiversity destruction is worth fighting against.

[pritch]

Rather more factual than the fantasy reported by the idiot in chief. Currently the Washington post has a vidio clip of the Baghdadi raid with military commentary.


https://www.washingtonpost.com

[austingtir]

Oh there is going to be a brawl, and don't think the greenies won't take up arms. They will. Climate change and biodiversity destruction is worth fighting against.

[Katman]

Wtf is narcos?

A training video for aspiring terrorists.

[oldrider]

Narcos? - https://www.netflix.com/nz/title/80025172 -

[austingtir]

LMFAO at this sloot blaming her abusive husband.

[TheDemonLord]

I can agree with that.

The thing is, I don't think that's what's going on.

From what I see, they get evidence of possible wrong-doing ... and investigate. As they should.

My personal take, is that suppose everything they say is true, that Trump asked a foreign country to look into Biden's son for dodgy dealings in that Foreign country and in return would release promised aid - I don't see a whole lot wrong here, it's no different from what most countries do, it may be a bit more explicit, but again, I don't find it anymore or less wrong that what happens.

I'll freely admit that this probably makes me more of a jaded cynic than anything else.

Then there is the secondary issue, it seems to me that they are grasping at straws and trying to find anything (no matter how trivial) that they can (ab)use to try and get their way.

Being innocent of one crime ... or even if one were universally "liked" ... does not make one innocent of all potential crimes.

For sure, there's no disagreement there, I've cut this out of line because I think the key point is the one that follows:

If the impeachment investigation fails to provide evidence worthy of impeachment *, I will happily say he should not be impeached.

Heck, I can even agree right now he's (technically **) the legitimate president of the U.S.

But ... that does not mean that further evidence of other possible crimes should not be investigated.

That's fair. But consider this - if you were driving around and everytime you drove your car, there was immediately a Police car on your tail that would pull you over the for slightest of mistakes (didn't indicate at a roundabout, didn't indicate for at least 3 seconds etc.) - you would say that it was harassment and not the proper conduct of the Police.

I'll accept that as the leader of the US there is an increased level of Oversight that is warranted, but this inquisitorial desperation to find any and every little thing that could be used to try and usurp him is much like the example above.

(* Of course, even if it does, actions could by stymied by the Republicans, as they seem to love power and Trump more than their country.)

Listening to some Conservative Commentators (Ben Shapiro is a good example of this), I don't think that's a fair characterization of them - a lot of them are only too happy to be Critical of Trump when he does something stupid (the aforementioned Ben is a great example of this), but conversely, they are also prepared to accept when Trump has done something good (or at least they think is good) - it's this last bit that's lacking. Consider the TPPA, the various activist groups were all up in arms about it. Trump came in, pulled the deal and it died - not one of them could even acknowledge that he did something they liked.

(** There was interference, so his presidency is at the very least tainted. It's a big issue for Democracy in the current World.)

I disagree - there must be a number of questions asked (and for the record, I don't agree there was interference):

1: Was the (supposed) interference more or less than previous elections?
2: Was the (supposed) interference causal to the election of Trump as opposed to corelating?
3: Did the (supposed) interference cause a massive demographic shift in Voters?

On the first point - if there was interference (and I don't think there was to any noticeable degree), then I put it to you it was no more or less than any other interference and at any point in time (case in point - the Soviet's funding of Socialist political groups in the US)

On the second point - You can point to a number of factors that would appear to be more causal than any interference - Trumps fundamental message, Hilary's disdain for the working class American (the basket of Deplorables), discontent at certain policies that appear to benefit the city-dwelling masses vs the heartland of the US etc.

The last point is perhaps the most key - in the Election, same as every other election ~50% voted Republican, ~50% voted Democrat, there was no fundamental shift in voting behavior. What we did see, is that Trump focused a huge amount of energy on Swing states, much more than Hilary, add into that how the Electoral College works - Trump effectively played the game to win. He went after people in the areas where he would need people to vote for him, compared to Hilary who (comparatively) only campaigned in areas were people will vote for her.

That there wasn't a sizeable shift in Voting behavior means that any interference had a negligible effect, whereas Trump's campaign strategy seems to have been much more causal to his success.

Can I recommend this forum: http://www.internationalskeptics.com...isplay.php?f=6
It's got people on both side participating.

Another forum where I can argue and piss people off? Lordy! I do love an argument, but I think if I were to join another forum, that little bit of work that I get done during the day might get smaller and the Boss might notice!

[Viking01]

https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/...1031-0012.html

[jasonu]

LMFAO at this sloot blaming her abusive husband.

I saw that too. Apparently it is everyone else’s fault but hers.

[Berries]

Why is she wearing a Prince Albert as a necklace?

[Banditbandit]

Some of the next generation are a real worry imo. Not all though.

People have been saying that for generations - even Aristotle complains about the younger generation .... You sing an old song - you became your parents ..

[TheDemonLord]

I saw that too. Apparently it is everyone else’s fault but hers.

Would still tap though.

[oldrider]

How war's should be fought! - between the leaders? - - https://twitter.com/i/status/1189951651668512772 -

[pritch]

Interesting if longish read in The Independent.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9181641.html

In all of that the following paragraph struck me as the most interesting.

And the information being requested has left allies astonished. One British official with knowledge of Barr’s wish list presented to London commented that “it is like nothing we have come across before, they are basically asking, in quite robust terms, for help in doing a hatchet job on their own intelligence services”.

Also completely unrelated to that, Trump has announced that henceforth he will be resident in Florida. This has people guessing as to what the motivation of the life long New Yorker might be. One suggestion concerns bankruptcy. Most US states exclude the primary dwelling from bankruptcy proceedings but limit the value, typically to around three to four hundred thousand. Florida has no limit. And Trump does have a history of bankruptcies.