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Don't you mean What Netanyahu wants Netanyahu gets? - Although Putin is also well into the mix, the orchestration is now so obvious compared to pre-internet days.Originally Posted by pritch
Take a look at this fiasco frinstance:- https://twitter.com/CalebJHull/statu...rymakow.com%2F
Geriatric hoon
No. Trump uses his son in law to communicate with Israel. Trump takes his orders direct from Putin.
There is a grey blur, and a green blur. I try to stay on the grey one. - Joey Dunlop
Hardcore Biker
If the latter statement were true, precisely what "orders" do you think Putin has been giving to Don ?
I mean, I could imagine something along the lines :
Syria : Withdraw US troops, release the oil fields and stop supporting terrorist factions with weapons.
Iraq : Honour the Iraqi government request and withdraw US troops.
Venezuela : Stop the financial sanctions as well as restrictions upon medical aid.
Bolivia : Stop facilitating coups to overthrow an elected government.
Russia : Stop the US for withdrawing from major weapons treaties.
Stop directing NATO to position missile systems in neighbouring countries.
Stop financial sanctions and resume normal trading relations.
But No. Don doesn't seem to take any of those actions.
In fact, it's been the complete opposite. He seems to be ignoring Putin completely.
It's almost like he's taking orders from another party (or parties).
is currently sulking in the Sin Bin
But, but, but, MSNBC said.........
C'mon lets ride....
And the hits just keep on coming....
Forum whore
You sure know heaps. Are you with the CIA, the KGB or both?
Lets go Brandon
Anorak
Only he did
This benefits Russia as they get to supply the goods
Ignoring Putin really? he says he says believes Putin beyond his own advisers FBi and government
He also claimed that putin told him it was the Urkraine that interfered in the election FFS.US President Donald Trump has defended Russia over claims of interference in the 2016 presidential election.
After face-to-face talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin, Mr Trump contradicted US intelligence agencies and said there had been no reason for Russia to meddle in the vote.
Mr Putin reiterated that Russia had never interfered in US affairs
"President Putin says it's not Russia. I don't see any reason why it would be," he replied.
US House Speaker Paul Ryan said Mr Trump "must appreciate that Russia is not our ally".
"There is no moral equivalence between the United States and Russia, which remains hostile to our most basic values and ideals," he said, adding that there was "no question" Moscow had interfered in the 2016 election.
Trump also lifted sanctions on firms linked to Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska an alley of Putin.
Deripaska also has ties with Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign manager.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47023004
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
Geriatric hoon
The bullshit Trump has been pushing about Ukraine interfering in the US elections comes direct from the Kremlin. Possibly to deflect from their ongoing efforts to disrupt the 2020 US election.
Trump started talking about the people of Montenegro being tough, aggressive people, State Dept staff just shook their heads thinking WTF, where did that come from? It later turned out that this was the official Kremlin view.
He has had meetings with Putin with minimal or no staff in attendance, and he has private phone calls with Putin. Of course they could be talking golf?Trump has done very little that would displease Putin.
Trump told Putin (or asked permission?) that he was going to off the Iranian General before he told the US Congress.
There's a reason Trump won't release his financial information, one explanation is that the Russian oligarchs own him. Past statements by his sons tend to support that theory.
But hey, you believe whatever you like.
There is a grey blur, and a green blur. I try to stay on the grey one. - Joey Dunlop
L-Plate Rider
^^ LMAO pritch is still going on about the ruskies under his bed......
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...79868221001733
C'mon lets ride....
Yeah going on 3years now.^^ LMAO pritch is still going on about the ruskies under his bed......
Anorak
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
Forum whore
Is that all you've got?
You're as desperate as the Dem party.
Lets go Brandon
C'mon lets ride....
The walls are closing in, the walls are closing in, impeach. EPIC FAIL!!!
Oh and let us not forget THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING!!
Hardcore Biker
Just to reply to your points: Re Post #8197 above
1. Withdrawal of US Troops from Syria
Strangely enough, I recall Don having earlier made a campaign pledge to withdraw a portion of US troops "and bring them home".
But Yes, you're factually correct. He did withdraw a small number of US troops from eastern Syria (across the border into northern Iraq), only to then change his mind a month later and reinstate them into Syria. I quote:
"The Trump administration ordered all U.S. forces to withdraw from Kurdish-administered northern Syria in early October ahead of a [planned] Turkish incursion into the region, a controversial move widely seen as a reneging of the U.S.'s alliance with the Syrian Kurds in favour of NATO ally Turkey.
However, the decision was partially reversed by November 2019 as U.S. troops repositioned to eastern Syria, reinforcing their presence in al-Hasakah and Deir ez-Zor provinces with the subordinate mission of securing SDF-controlled oil and gas infrastructure from the ISIL insurgency and the Syrian government.
On 23 November 2019, the head of U.S. Central Command stated there was no "end date" on the U.S. intervention in Syria."
Also covered in the following link:
https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/11...ut-to-pillage/
2. Stop Financial Sanctions and Resume a Normal Trading Relationship
"This benefits Russia as they get to supply the goods".
Are you trying to tell me that there is no benefit to the US at the same time ?
Because, even in these times of US sanctions on Russia, there is still US demand for Russian supplied items like minerals, metals and rocket engines.
https://sputniknews.com/business/201...ite-sanctions/
https://www.spacedaily.com/reports/R..._year_999.html
And if you want to find out the largest country-level investor in Russia (despite current western sanctions), just go to the section "Western Countries are the Big Winners" within the following link.
https://www.intellinews.com/which-co...us-not-165554/
3. Ignoring Putin Completely
Yes, I should have said "ignoring Putin's orders completely" for sake of clarity. But I assumed readers would understand that, since that was the topic of the post.
Why Don should believe Putin more than his own intelligence advisors is obviously interesting. It's probably due to those old KGB mind games that Putin is said to practice.
4. Ukraine Interference in the US Election
I believe Putin stated in an interview he believed it was Ukrainian oligarchs (who may have donated money to the Trump opposition):
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...chs-gave-money
A small distinction, but it highlights the difference between the (actions of a) government of a country and those of its countrymen.
Perhaps important to make the same distinction for Russia as well. Accusing Putin for all the actions of its oligarchs (especially since the Russian oligarchs were active through the 1990's - during the financial pillage of the Russian economy - and Putin did not come into power until year 2000).
5. Oleg Deripaska
Your BBC article may describe Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska as "a Putin ally", but not necessarily correct:
https://www.globalresearch.ca/why-th...-putin/5638288
Oleg Deripaska's RUSAL aluminium company was (is) involved with aluminium supply to the US. Don imposed sanctions on RUSAL, only to be forced to reverse his decision barely two weeks later (because of the adverse effect of those sanctions on the operation of key US businesses):
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1IG3G6
Deripaska's relinquishing majority control of the three metals companies may well have been contributory.
6. Paul Manafort
If we just go by the details in the following Wikipedia, there's more than enough evidence of the actual criminal charges for which he was convicted.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trials_of_Paul_Manafort
Personally, I'm not interested in Manafort or any of the other political advisors and lobbyists who were involved in the US 2016 election. You can discuss and debate them all you wish. Don't wait for me.
But I doubt that we have heard the last of the story about Manafort's alleged Ukrainian involvement:
https://www.thenation.com/article/ar...lections-2016/
https://alethonews.com/2020/02/08/ma...l-fabrication/
And as for one reason why Manafort and Deripaska were in contact: Manafort owed him money ($10 million).
https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201...anaforts-Ties/
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