The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

**sugilite:Me** · 11th February 2020, 20:32

Originally Posted by Bonez

I'm flattered. Yes used to enjoy those group runs. Heaps of fun and good company. You can do a lot with a cheap and careful GB400 or crappy ol CX500s on back country roads. Do you still have the green meany?

Yeah I miss those group rides, they were a lot of fun. Yes, I have actually got 2 green meanies - both 89 750s. 1 road, and 1 race, but that one is in bits. It will rise again one day

**husaberg** · 11th February 2020, 21:58

Originally Posted by Viking01

Just to reply to your points: Re Post #8197 above

1. Withdrawal of US Troops from Syria

Strangely enough, I recall Don having earlier made a campaign pledge to withdraw a portion of US troops "and bring them home".

But Yes, you're factually correct. He did withdraw a small number of US troops from eastern Syria (across the border into northern Iraq), only to then change his mind a month later and reinstate them into Syria. I quote:

"The Trump administration ordered all U.S. forces to withdraw from Kurdish-administered northern Syria in early October ahead of a [planned] Turkish incursion into the region, a controversial move widely seen as a reneging of the U.S.'s alliance with the Syrian Kurds in favour of NATO ally Turkey.

However, the decision was partially reversed by November 2019 as U.S. troops repositioned to eastern Syria, reinforcing their presence in al-Hasakah and Deir ez-Zor provinces with the subordinate mission of securing SDF-controlled oil and gas infrastructure from the ISIL insurgency and the Syrian government.

On 23 November 2019, the head of U.S. Central Command stated there was no "end date" on the U.S. intervention in Syria."

Also covered in the following link:

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/11...ut-to-pillage/

2. Stop Financial Sanctions and Resume a Normal Trading Relationship

"This benefits Russia as they get to supply the goods".

Are you trying to tell me that there is no benefit to the US at the same time ?

Because, even in these times of US sanctions on Russia, there is still US demand for Russian supplied items like minerals, metals and rocket engines.

https://sputniknews.com/business/201...ite-sanctions/

https://www.spacedaily.com/reports/R..._year_999.html

And if you want to find out the largest country-level investor in Russia (despite current western sanctions), just go to the section "Western Countries are the Big Winners" within the following link.

https://www.intellinews.com/which-co...us-not-165554/

3. Ignoring Putin Completely

Yes, I should have said "ignoring Putin's orders completely" for sake of clarity. But I assumed readers would understand that, since that was the topic of the post.

Why Don should believe Putin more than his own intelligence advisors is obviously interesting. It's probably due to those old KGB mind games that Putin is said to practice.

4. Ukraine Interference in the US Election

I believe Putin stated in an interview he believed it was Ukrainian oligarchs (who may have donated money to the Trump opposition):

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-...chs-gave-money

A small distinction, but it highlights the difference between the (actions of a) government of a country and those of its countrymen.

Perhaps important to make the same distinction for Russia as well. Accusing Putin for all the actions of its oligarchs (especially since the Russian oligarchs were active through the 1990's - during the financial pillage of the Russian economy - and Putin did not come into power until year 2000).

5. Oleg Deripaska

Your BBC article may describe Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska as "a Putin ally", but not necessarily correct:

https://www.globalresearch.ca/why-th...-putin/5638288

Oleg Deripaska's RUSAL aluminium company was (is) involved with aluminium supply to the US. Don imposed sanctions on RUSAL, only to be forced to reverse his decision barely two weeks later (because of the adverse effect of those sanctions on the operation of key US businesses):

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1IG3G6

Deripaska's relinquishing majority control of the three metals companies may well have been contributory.

6. Paul Manafort

If we just go by the details in the following Wikipedia, there's more than enough evidence of the actual criminal charges for which he was convicted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trials_of_Paul_Manafort

Personally, I'm not interested in Manafort or any of the other political advisors and lobbyists who were involved in the US 2016 election. You can discuss and debate them all you wish. Don't wait for me.

But I doubt that we have heard the last of the story about Manafort's alleged Ukrainian involvement:

https://www.thenation.com/article/ar...lections-2016/

https://alethonews.com/2020/02/08/ma...l-fabrication/

And as for one reason why Manafort and Deripaska were in contact: Manafort owed him money ($10 million).

https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201...anaforts-Ties/

Oh if sputnik said so...............
most of what you wrote other than what is a regurgitation of what i pointed out in the first place is your opinion based on what you read in a Russian news site or regurgitated off one.
Back up what you say with facts or stop trying to change your opinion into real events.

**Bonez** · 11th February 2020, 22:17

Originally Posted by sugilite

Yeah I miss those group rides, they were a lot of fun. Yes, I have actually got 2 green meanies - both 89 750s. 1 road, and 1 race, but that one is in bits. It will rise again one day

That's good to hear. This XF650 I got is a barrel of fun. Ideal for the roads out your way.

**sugilite:Me** · 11th February 2020, 22:57

Originally Posted by Bonez

That's good to hear. This XF650 I got is a barrel of fun. Ideal for the roads out your way.

Sounds awesome - there is a road out this way-ish, not many would know about. Let me know if you out these parts, see what can be organized. Stunning Road, Dramatic scenery and a surprisingly large expanse of what looks like original native forests. Sweet road man. 10km of dirt road involved, bonus is it is billiard smooth the last time I did it. Hang out the rear on the Xf?

**Bonez** · 12th February 2020, 07:02

Originally Posted by sugilite

Sounds awesome - there is a road out this way-ish, not many would know about. Let me know if you out these parts, see what can be organized. Stunning Road, Dramatic scenery and a surprisingly large expanse of what looks like original native forests. Sweet road man. 10km of dirt road involved, bonus is it is billiard smooth the last time I did it. Hang out the rear on the Xf?

I think I may have done a bit of it some years back but I didn't have a map and the CX was getting low on gas so turned back. Certenly bango country alright.

**pritch** · 12th February 2020, 08:01

Overnight our time Trump tweeted this clip. The language might have upset some of his "Christian patriot" followers. Funny thing is, it's a clip from a series demonstrating how a MAGA hat is a "people repellent". I suspect the stable genius didn't watch the whole show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_ydEjUGuI4

**austingtir** · 12th February 2020, 16:32

Originally Posted by pritch

Overnight our time Trump tweeted this clip. The language might have upset some of his "Christian patriot" followers. Funny thing is, it's a clip from a series demonstrating how a MAGA hat is a "people repellent". I suspect the stable genius didn't watch the whole show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_ydEjUGuI4

If its a repellent why didnt it work on this mexican who's pretending to be native american assaulting Trump supporters and then wondering why he got punched in the face?

https://worldstarhiphop.com/videos/v...262iHbYLIN0EW6

**oldrider** · 12th February 2020, 17:35

Originally Posted by austingtir

If its a repellent why didnt it work on this mexican who's pretending to be native american assaulting Trump supporters and then wondering why he got punched in the face?

https://worldstarhiphop.com/videos/v...262iHbYLIN0EW6

That's just a -

- pathetic.

**austingtir** · 12th February 2020, 18:00

Originally Posted by oldrider

That's just a -

- pathetic.

Yep bubblewrap for hands.

**Bonez** · 12th February 2020, 18:37

Originally Posted by pritch

Overnight our time Trump tweeted this clip. The language might have upset some of his "Christian patriot" followers. Funny thing is, it's a clip from a series demonstrating how a MAGA hat is a "people repellent". I suspect the stable genius didn't watch the whole show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_ydEjUGuI4

Speaking of genius's you don't qualify you nut.

**austingtir** · 13th February 2020, 16:40

Old creepy Joe's family has an island near Epsteins little st james........ Who could of predicted this.....

So now we know where Creepy joe and co were likely laundering their Ukranian and Chinese money......

**Bonez** · 13th February 2020, 16:50

Hmmm didn't Killeries aids destroy subpoenaed Blackberries?

**austingtir** · 13th February 2020, 19:52

Originally Posted by Bonez

Hmmm didn't Killeries aids destroy subpoenaed Blackberries?

Also note his speculation on Pete butt edge...... People are beginning to make the obvious connection back to petes probable time in libya probably working for hillary and co.... which is why hilldog was trying to rig the primary for him the other week.

And then there's misfud who kicked off the whole Muh Russia narrative for hilldog.....

Seems to be saying Butt edge is somehow related via marriage to misfud... perhaps via the woman misfud married from Ukraine of all places.....

**jasonu** · 14th February 2020, 03:15

Originally Posted by austingtir

Also note his speculation on Pete butt edge...... People are beginning to make the obvious connection back to petes probable time in libya probably working for hillary and co.... which is why hilldog was trying to rig the primary for him the other week.

And then there's misfud who kicked off the whole Muh Russia narrative for hilldog.....

Seems to be saying Butt edge is somehow related via marriage to misfud... perhaps via the woman misfud married from Ukraine of all places.....

In English please.