Fine, just don't make out you know what the Russians are up to when you simply cannot have the slightest idea. Or did you see Putin wearing a I just do the twitter bots thing?
Originally Posted by TheDemonLord
Kiwibiker
Fine, just don't make out you know what the Russians are up to when you simply cannot have the slightest idea. Or did you see Putin wearing a I just do the twitter bots thing?
C'mon lets ride....
Nor dose pritch btw.
Geriatric hoon
Normally I don't see TDL's stuff but you quoted it. TDL has absolutely no understanding of what happened last time and he has learned nothing since. I hope he doesn't work in IT, because IT people should at least be interested enough to find out what's been happening because it could affect them.Whew, that took 172 words utilizing 1095 characters to agree with me - Yes the Russians are interfering
The Democrat servers were hacked by Russians and information was released to embarrass the Democrats. This is part of what got Roger Stone in trouble. The Republican servers were likely hacked too, but Putin was taking it easy on them.
The IT guy responsible for maintaining the Democrat server was contacted by the FBI and told that the server had been compromised but he decided that it was one of his mates having him on - and he did nothing. Some IT guys are definitely not very bright.
One false flag operation was run by Russian military intelligence officers out of Moscow. The staff of the office were named in the Mueller report and thirteen were charged although they'll never appear in court.
There was also the Internet Research agency in St Petersburg.
There were pro Trump public meetings held in the USA which were organised from Russia unbeknown to anyone in the USA.
The electronic voting machines are easily hacked, but the electorate laptop which contains all of the results is likely also possibly compromised. The integrity of the election voting systems is typically protected by local body employees and it may well be that Cletus got the job because his uncle is the mayor. Their opponents are professional Russian military intelligence hackers. TDL might be sanguine, but I don't like the odds.
Additionally there are reports around about the techniques used by Facebook. It's actually amazing what they do and how specifically the ads are targeted. They offered both the Democrats and the Republicans the opportunity to use their services, the Republicans accepted, the Democrats thought they could handle their own social media. No they couldn't. Like TDL they had simply no idea. I hope they learned their lesson and I hope they have new IT staff.
There is a grey blur, and a green blur. I try to stay on the grey one. - Joey Dunlop
C'mon lets ride....
It's obvious the US intelligence apparatus can not be trusted or haven't you figured that out yet? The US disabled a Russian power station so reprisals are to be expected.
Geriatric hoon
In case anyone is interested in the nano targeting used on Facebook there is this. It's from 2018 so it's probably a bit out of date now the speed at which these things move.
https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...line-democracy
There is a grey blur, and a green blur. I try to stay on the grey one. - Joey Dunlop
The Majestic Metal Wizard
What happened last time was 'blame everything except ourselves' on the part of the DNC. Just like Labour in the UK are currently doing.
To confirm, we are talking about the Email Server incident, yes?
The same one where Private servers that they shouldn't have been operating that existed outside the Auspices of the official Security policy, which is causal to what made them vulnerable to be hacked.
Yes - you were saying how I don't know what I'm talking about?
Again, when you are doing something that you shouldn't be - responding to official requests (and implicitly acknowledging that you are doing something you shouldn't be) - is also not a bright idea.
The person in question probably knew they were Boned eitherway and the best option was to do nothing and wait for it to blow over.
BUT MUH RUSSIA!!!!! Seriously, let it go. Trump won, the DNC lost and they are going to loose again.
That's quite the bold claim - since you are alleging in effect and unproven mass campaign of Voting Fraud. Doubly tenuous when the DNC themselves have had some rather dubious encounters with busing Voters from state-to-state, using dead people to enroll to vote and need I bring up the Caucus voting scandal for the current DNC Primary?
Me thinks this is the Pot accusing the Fridge of being black....
It's not Amazing when you understand how it works.
From an individuals preferences in content you can infer certain things about them - for example, my YT history has things like Forgotten Weapons, various Gaming channels, Motocycling content etc. From that you can infer I'm a Male, my approximate Age bracket, what my likely earning bracket is, and from those initial vectors what other things I'm more inclined to like. From those initial generalizations, by promoting content to me and seeing what I react to, you can further refine your profile of my Likes/Dislikes and more importantly, what my underlying temperament is likely to be. With each iteration this is further refined.
But even then, what you are arguing (in essence) is a Marketing Campaign was the decisive factor. Whereas the fact that Hillary was Awful was more of a factor, the fact that Trump targetted Swing voters, the fact that the voter base saw through the entitled Arrogance of Hillary and the DNC.
To quote JBP when asked on this: "I'd have gone into the booth with the intention of voting for Hillary and then at the last second decided 'screw it' and voted for Trump"
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
The Majestic Metal Wizard
I never said I knew what the Russians were doing, I said that assuming they are doing everything that you claim they are doing, the IMPACT compared to other known factors is minimal.
The burden of proof is to demonstrate that a deliberate online marketing campaign (which is essentially what this can be thought of as) would have a significant impact on Voting behavior.
We know it did not - as with every other US election since way back when ~50% of the voters voted Trump and ~50% of the voters voted Hillary. The difference was in where those Votes were cast - Hillary had most of hers in Democrat strongholds, whereas Trump had a significant proportion in Swing States.
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
Forum whore
On the very subject of election vote tampering.
Kiwibiker
Oh pray, do show me where I claimed what the Russians were doing outside of a general "they are interfering" statement? You are pretty much arguing with yourself there - don't set your straw man self on fire now
I see what you did there - invoking the 7 year old drunk. However, not my first rodeo, so try harder
Hard to not notice how the right wing snowflakes here have a real boner for Pritch, which is kind of amusing as he is nowhere as far to the left as the right wing snowflakes are to the loony fringe right
The Majestic Metal Wizard
That was the royal usage of You again, and yes, I should have labelled it as such. Perhaps a Gentlemans agreement, I'll try to be clearly when I am referring to you yourself and you the generalized form and in return you yourself will read it with a charitable interpretation.Oh pray, do show me where I claimed what the Russians were doing outside of a general "they are interfering" statement? You are pretty much arguing with yourself there - don't set your straw man self on fire now
The over-arching point I'm making is, assuming they are doing everything that is being claimed of them, the influence is negligible.
OAB's vid, on the otherhand, was quite interesting - I'm not sure the numbers given are accurate (2 million additional votes out of 129 million votes though is less then 2%, I'd like to know how that number was derived and how it was controlled for) - but none-the-less it fits in with a general theme of soft-censorship by Large Tech companies against Conservatives.
And before there are calls of 'Hypocrite' - even if the numbers are accurate, the fact that Trump still won shows that the overall election process is more robust than Russian or Silicon Valley Meddling. On top of that - Exterior influence (AKA Hacking) is not nearly as effective as Internal Influence (AKA Corporate Policy)
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
Geriatric hoon
I seem to recall Bonez commenting that he had experience writing safety manuals? I wonder what language he wrote them in, it obviously wasn't English.
There is a grey blur, and a green blur. I try to stay on the grey one. - Joey Dunlop
Anorak
Not only that there was a serries of suspicious information releases from hacks at times that were highly beneficial to Trump
I wouldn't bother with TDL he also claims to know more about security that the State department and FBI, more about the US law that the US supreme court judges do, Not to mention, more about the law than any lawyer............"The bombshell dropped on the Washington Post’s website just after 4 p.m.: a video of Donald Trump, in 2005, using extremely vulgar language to describe women, detailing his attempt to bed a married woman and bragging that he can grope women because he is a celebrity. Less than an hour later, Wikileaks published more than 2,000 emails from what appeared to be the personal account of the chairman of Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign."
If his delusions of grandeur were .02% higher, you could shorten his penis by 4 inches and change his name to Steve.
Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken
The Majestic Metal Wizard
It's funny - cause I've never claimed that, and considering Husaberg's memory on what I've actually said is poor at best.
The actual statement was that in every Organization I've worked at (Corporate or otherwise) - Deliberately bypassing the Security Policy is grounds for Instant Dismissal.
No Ifs, Buts or Maybes. Gone.
Then there was a discussion about the difference between Cloud-based providers being default Secure (such as O365 as an example) vs a locally setup Server.
I then said that the US Government will have something in it's internal policies (so not 'law') around bypassing of IT Security, which Hillary clearly is in violation of. And given the above, at the very least she should have been drummed out of the Government and at worst, she should be brought up on charges (whether they be of Negligence or simply compromising US security)
The other stuff is because Husa can't distinguish between someone crossing a border illegal to permanently live in a country and crossing the border illegally, with no intention of living or working there. It is not to condone crossing a border illegally, but simply to state that there is a difference.
But I digress - I'm sure both of you will have a big, congratulatory circle jerk, whilst loudly (and often) proclaiming that 'I don't see TDL's posts' (whilst referencing the content of them repeatedly) and further affirm how good and noble you all are in your respective Echo Chamber.
Physics; Thou art a cruel, heartless Bitch-of-a-Mistress
Geriatric hoon
Thinking of the US response to a potential pandemic, and the less than confidence inspiring response of the Health Department here, I was talking to my Doctor this morning. He said GP practices are trying to obtain some masks but all the usual sources of masks are sold out. He did find some at an unusual source. He said the Health Department are holding stocks of protective clothing to be released to GPs if the shit hits the fan.
He also told me that the plan is, in the event you get sick, you'll go to specially designated reporting centres. You don't go to your GP, they don't want all the GPs laid low.
At least it's comforting that someone has actually been thinking about it.
Casting my mind back to when there was pandemic training at work last time there was a threat, the plan was for everybody to go to work as normal. That struck me as a bit off. I'd have thought run the office with a skeleton staff and send people out on jobs from their homes as necessary rather than bring everybody into contact with everybody else.
I see that Trump didn't hand Tony the arse card for contradicting him, but Tony must clear all future public comments with Mike Pence. That basically means that unless it's good news it will lie stillborn on Pence's desk.
Trump is running scared, he has crippled the disaster response organisations in the US, and if the virus becomes a pandemic he will be responsible for the result. That may be why he put Pence, who is absolutely unqualified, in charge of it. If it is a disaster he'll blame Pence.
Cross your fingers...
There is a grey blur, and a green blur. I try to stay on the grey one. - Joey Dunlop
C'mon lets ride....
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