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    Quote Originally Posted by seattle smitty View Post
    "Religious people all think God is on their side. Rich people know He is."

    In the USA, Democrats/liberals/Leftists all point out how the rich, corporate officers, bankers, Wall Street traders, globalists, and other members of the (Republican and conservative) political/economic Establishment are devoted to working the system to line their own pockets in ways no ordinary citizen can do. Then they tell us about all the unfortunates at the bottom of society, poor through misfortunes of various sorts, who deserve any and all welfare they get, and should get more still.

    Then there are the Republicans/conservatives/Rightists who condemn the poor as mostly being too lazy to do honest work, preferring to steal and to cheat the welfare system to support their drug habits and their stupidity and sloth. Meanwhile, they ask us to believe that the people at the top of corporate America are busy creating jobs for the rest of us while our (liberal and Democratic) government Establishment taxes and regulates them excessively.

    These are the two political parties "representing" us. Seems to me their philosophies are each simultaneously astute . . . and clueless.

    I took an introductory Economics class in school with a clever prof. When his lectures got to comparing economic systems, he started with Communism. He laid out a beautiful description of hard working citizens laboring for the mutual benefit of all, with no fat cats raking off all the profits, and ordinary people living prosperous, cooperative, fulfilling lives. He ended by saying to the big lecture hall full of students, "Now I submit to you that this is the best of all possible worlds!"

    The next day, he launched into a similarly detailed exposition on Socialism, then on (economic) Fascism, and finally on Adam Smith's capitalism. In each case he was laying out the theories of the best advocates for each of the four economic philosophies, and at the end of each he would say, "I submit to you that this is the best of all possible worlds!"

    And as far as it went, he was justified in saying that every time. If any economic system actually worked out in practice as it was supposed to work in theory, we would be delighted to live under that system.

    Alas, they never do. Every one of these systems gets seriously warped out of shape, subverted (to my thinking) by roughly the same class of sharp, energetic, self-assured, self-aggrandizing, rather ruthless men who, though they usually see themselves as patriots, always rise to power and use it for the benefit of themselves and others of their kind. The early dreams of a classless communist society never had a chance against the men who took control. We who hold out hope for capitalism tell each other that communism was a nice idea, maybe the sort of system Jesus of Nazareth might have approved of with it's "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need," but that it never could have worked out in practice. We point to the self-adjusting nature of Adam Smith's system as the only method that can work in actual practice, given the self-centeredness and imperfectability of actual human beings. Yet even capitalism has been twisted badly by an establishment of the same men who twisted every other economic system for their own benefit. Crony capitalism has turned out to be far from the best of all possible worlds.
    Keep following that train of thought
    I've followed it to, before the Sumerian's , as the record keeping wasn't so hot back before the Sumerian's
    Even back then there was a bullion class gaming the system
    One person however managed to cause Tiberius to use his entire personal fortune... In one of the first cases of Q.E

    Now on saying that president Chauncey , talked about about a forest ( he used the garden as his metaphor)
    But a forest is a good example of an economic system .



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    This is why the TV doesn't like Trump very much.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/america...-islamic-state
    simple question, why did the Soviets modify a air-raid shelter into a gas chamber? what was their intention?

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    Puppets - they did what they were told to do - that's what makes them so dangerous to the rest of the world!

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    Quote Originally Posted by yokel View Post
    This is why the TV doesn't like Trump very much.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/america...-islamic-state


    http://www.crethiplethi.com/the-hist...ountries/2015/


    Historical background

    ISIS took root in the new era created in Iraq after the Americans took control of the country in 2003. The Second Gulf War led to the overthrow of Saddam Hussein’s regime, the dismantling of the Iraqi army and the destruction of the existing governmental structure. As a result, a security and governmental vacuum was created and the country’s fragile social fabric (in the middle of which was the volatile Sunni-Shi’ite schism) was severely damaged.

    I wonder who was President of the US at that time ... ??? Huh huh .. do you know ?
    "So if you meet me, have some sympathy, have some courtesy, have some taste ..."

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    I'd hate to ever have to admit that my arse had been owned by a Princess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Banditbandit View Post
    http://www.crethiplethi.com/the-hist...ountries/2015/





    I wonder who was President of the US at that time ... ??? Huh huh .. do you know ?
    Are yes all terrorist come out of this, how convenient



    Obama is a continuation of the same plan.
    and so is Hillary.

    You know when Trump says he will defeat ISIS quickly just means he'll stop the writing out checks for new Toyotas and green screen beheadings.

    The source of your disinfo "intelligence and Terrorism (BS) Information Center".

    http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/en/article/20733
    simple question, why did the Soviets modify a air-raid shelter into a gas chamber? what was their intention?

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    Trumph could shut down Toyota for producing WMD's





    Probably funded thru a branch of Mossad
    DeMyer's Laws - an argument that consists primarily of rambling quotes isn't worth bothering with.

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    I remember the Aussie plumber who saw his old truck on TV - still signwritten - being used by ISIS as a fighting vehicle.
    From memory he had a public go at the dealer he sold it to who had sold it to a cash buyer.
    Apparently it was dead easy to ship it to where ISIS could pick it up...

    Shut this stuff off and make them fight on foot or from a Camel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    Oh, I'd dearly love to see Green Parties around the world gaining positions of power.

    Not least for the opportunity of witnessing the wailing and gnashing of teeth that would erupt from a number of fuckwits on here.

    (You know who you are).
    Quote Originally Posted by mashman View Post
    ... and then they'd shut up shop in protest thereby making themselves the biggest unprincipled hypocrites in history. I'm still chuckling my arse off on that one. "I don't like your system so I shan't participate... but yeah, bludgers are the worst for not participating in a system that they don't like." . Yeah, bring on teh greens as it'll be fuckin hilarious to watch them become that which they revile.
    wtf are you two going on about?
    I mentioned vegetables once, but I think I got away with it...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodman View Post
    wtf are you two going on about?
    I think, you will find that one, has clearly been sampling his own product, a bit too much.
    Quote Originally Posted by Pdealer@Taupo.co.nz View Post
    You still sound like the cocksucker who tried starting a rumour that I dealt P from my business.

    I.... so... want to fuck you.
    On the plus side it does go along way to explaining his rampant paranoia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    I reminder distinctly .




    Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken

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    Quote Originally Posted by yokel View Post
    Are yes all terrorist come out of this, how convenient



    Obama is a continuation of the same plan.
    and so is Hillary.

    You know when Trump says he will defeat ISIS quickly just means he'll stop the writing out checks for new Toyotas and green screen beheadings.

    The source of your disinfo "intelligence and Terrorism (BS) Information Center".

    http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/en/article/20733
    Absolutely
    Isis , biggest con job since Zbiginew Brzinsky was a choir boy

    They pulled the same stunt way back in the day, when I was I lad , all the Bolsheviks, were running around in Ford trucks ... Possibly why they failed to enslave europe

    sent for a divine source
    "Look, Madame, where we live, look how we live ... look at the life we have...The Republic has forgotten us."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian d marge View Post
    Absolutely
    Isis , biggest con job since Zbiginew Brzinsky was a choir boy

    They pulled the same stunt way back in the day, when I was I lad , all the Bolsheviks, were running around in Ford trucks ... Possibly why they failed to enslave europe

    sent for a divine source
    Where they Black?



    The Fords trucks, not the Bolsheviks

    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    I reminder distinctly .




    Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken

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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberg View Post
    Where they Black?
    The ford trucks, not the Bolsheviks
    ho ho very funny , must spread the love etc , ..yes they were , you could have any color as long as it wasnt shocking pink
    "Look, Madame, where we live, look how we live ... look at the life we have...The Republic has forgotten us."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian d marge View Post
    ho ho very funny , must spread the love etc , ..yes they were , you could have any color as long as it wasnt shocking pink
    Don't get me wrong they were right to be concerned look what I found under my bed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Katman View Post
    I reminder distinctly .




    Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken

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    Quote Originally Posted by husaberk View Post
    Don't get me wrong they were right to be concerned look what I found under my bed.

    Please tell us that's not the last 14 year old you took home.

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