The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

[TheDemonLord]

You really aren't very good at this reading stuff are you. Sugilite was replying to a specific comment made by somebody else. Neither your 'culture war of 2011' nor the current weather are relevant.

Perhaps you might want to re-read yourself, especially if you are going to mock others comprehension...

Sugilite is making an inference that the problems started with the Election of Trump and therefore have a causal element to him being elected.

I'm pointing out that the issues we see having been going on for a lot longer, with the first notable incident coming in 2011.

[TheDemonLord]

Annnnd this is why he is the only one on my ignore list. The largest point in my post is that being a real estate and reality tv guy is not equipped to run a large country at the best of times, yet alone the worst, but if course DL does not want to talk about that, just dance around a much more minor point.

And which politician exactly is equipped to run the US? You've long espoused your distrust of Politicians (a sentiment I happen to share) - so I'm curious as to your answer here.

But even if I take your point as read - I simply retort: he's just as unqualified as everyone else who has ever done it.

As for the 'Minor Point' - actually, it's the most important point - who was President back in 2011? Which Administration laid the groundwork for this to happen? Which Political Ideology is driving the actual violence and the riots? Is it the same one that holds sway in the Universities, the Majority of the Media, the Governors of the certain states that are currently on fire, the functionaries of that Political party?

What was it you said to me? Free pass for Trump? Well, Free pass for Commies back at you.

Also a bonus point here - Yourself and Pritch have raised a few times the spectre of 'Trump wouldn't accept the result if he lost'

Tell me - Who is it that hasn't accepted the result that he Won? I'll give you a hint: Follow the smell of burning Cities.

If I were to reply to his lame rambling, I might put forward that the actual first event was when wealthy white fucks thought it would be perfectly OK to "Own" another human being, and force that human being who had been ripped by force from everything they know and love to work to make their "master", wealthy.

Now, this comment pissed me off. For a number of reasons.

Let's go through the first - the Historical inaccuracy of that claim - Because Slavery was a near-human universal. Every Language on earth has an equivalent word for Slaves, typically referring to those captured in warfare, forced to do manual/menial labor - so let's not make out that this is solely the product of 'Wealthy White Fucks'. Secondly, Let's talk about the African Slave trade - the common perception (or 'Myth') is that the 'EEEEEEEeeeevil White man came to Africa and stole the people!' - Let's try again with a little bit of Fact - the Europeans worked with the existing and well established inter-tribal warfare and Slavery system in Africa pre-colonisation - In fact, some of the coastal African Tribes profited quite substantially from their part in the Slave trade, to the point that when it was ended, they complained bitterly about it to...

And this leads to the 3rd point: Who was it that Ended the Slave Trade?

It is so odious, that nothing can be suffered to support it, but positive law. Whatever inconveniences, therefore, may follow from the decision, I cannot say this case is allowed or approved by the law of England; and therefore the black must be discharged.

Something Something Old Wealthy White Men Something - but let's put the Snark to one side - that's the pronouncement by one Lord Mansfield (Wealthy White Fuck) that was the catalyst for the freedom that most people have today to not be Slaves.

And let's not also forget that it was the global dominance of the Royal Navy that meant when England declared that Slavery was wrong and Illegal, that Britannia did not just mean in the UK, but Globally, and sent forth the empire's Military Might to stop the practice.

Again - thanks to 'Wealthy White Fucks' - those same racists that declared "The Air of England is too pure for a Slave breath in"...

Except...

In y'know Africa and the Middle East, where Slavery is re-emerging - but again, it's all Wealthy White Fucks fault right? Nothing to do with Millenia old Tribal Practices eh?

I would love to see DL dropped into the middle of a meeting of intelligent black community leaders trying their best to navigate their way out of this mess while keeping their people alive. He would fast find his words of "wisdom" turning to ash in his ignorant as fuck privileged white mans mouth.

Like Thomas Sowell? or Perhaps David Webb?

As for my Words of Wisdom - at this point in time it'd be quite simple: "Stop shitting in your own bed" - I've seen many people on the Right side of the Political spectrum, those who are in Law Enforcement or are usually defenders of people who do a difficult job in difficult circumstances unilaterally call out the killing of George.

There was goodwill there from people, and by Looting and Rioting and committing Criminal acts, it's all been pissed away.

Privilege? Get the Fuck out of here...

Because here is the difference: When the Government pissed on me and took away my rights for a Crime I didn't commit - did I go burn down my Local Community? Did I go looting my Local store? Did I direct any violent acts against the Police or Institutions of Government?

Since when is it a Privilege to live by the same standards you set for other people?

[Viking01]

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-s...61464920070322

https://www.rt.com/uk/418814-slave-c...stol-taxpayer/

https://www.rt.com/uk/316898-jamaica...tions-cameron/

[Bonez]

You really aren't very good at this reading stuff are you. Sugilite was replying to a specific comment made by somebody else. Neither your 'culture war of 2011' nor the current weather are relevant.

What a fucken pompus arsehole you are pritch. Pull your head out of your arse and do some THINKING for a change.

[sugilite:Me]

What a fucken pompus arsehole you are pritch. Pull your head out of your arse and do some THINKING for a change.

Good news. The National Guard has been sent to do what the Mayor and local authorities of Minnesota apparently can't do- sort out the thugs trashing the place.

Speaking of which, how is your message in the post quoted above that you made on the 31 st May panning out?

[Bonez]

Speaking of which, how is your message in the post quoted above that you made on the 31 st May panning out?

Looking pretty fine.

[pritch]

The situation with regard to Trump ordering the troops into action within the USA is becoming clearer. Currently it's as clear as mud. The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 forbids the deployment of the US military for law enforcement purposes within the US states. This excludes the various state National Guard units. The governors have the power to use those.

Trump, however, can deploy troops in Washington DC because the District of Columbia is not a state and does not have a governor.

The Insurrection Act of 1807 does give the president the power to deploy the military in a state as a last resort. The governors say though that using the act in the current circumstances would be illegal.

Trump is making a variety of grave statements currently which he may mean seriously or not. Nobody knows. None of which helps in the current situation.

[pritch]

What a fucken pompus arsehole you are pritch. Pull your head out of your arse and do some THINKING for a change.

You should try your own advice, it'll be a new experience. That comment is an example of why you are on ignore. You have nothing to offer worth the time it would take to read it.

Bye

[sugilite:Me]

During 2018, through to mid 2019 I lived in a small to medium rural town in Arkansas, USA.
It was an interesting culture shock for me to see how other people lived.
What I witnessed in terms of racial discrimination in that time was quite the eye opener for me.
A handful of low-lights....
A group of 3 black children (10, 11 years old) while out door knocking to raise money for a school trip having a gun pulled on them by none other than the wife of a high ranking administrator in the local justice department. (she was eventually arrested)
White people queuing in lines for a white checkout assistant while black checkout assistants were available at Walmart.
A tone deaf large sized mural in the local post office depicting black people working a plantation, clearly in slavery times. (That made for an interesting conversation with a black teller one day.)
I saw much more than just that, but those will do for the purpose of this post.
To you sanctimonious keyboard warriors in this forum, try if it is possible for you, to imagine living in that environment as a black person. Living in fear that your children could be shot dead for participating in something as innocent as a school fundraising drive. Or being "randomly" stopped by police and wondering if you will live to see the next day?

To those on this forum that are trying to point the finger at left wing radicals for being the reason these protests are exploding across the US, you are denying these genuinely repressed people the right of even protesting the reality they have to endure each and every day. You are de-legitimizing their cause in a quest to push your own insecurities born of fear and ignorance.
Sure, some left wing radicals will be using the situation as a opputunity to push their own bullshit agendas, as will right wing activists be doing exactly the same. But the lion share of the protesters are standing up for their very real, and justified grievances. Standing up to a political/judicial system that has ignored their needs and run roughshod over their rights for way too many years.

Right wing posters here seem obsessed that left wing commies have infiltrated the USA political system and are busy turning the USA into a communist block. Having spent time in the USA I find this notion absolutely laughable. FFS look up wikipedia for the definition of socialism and Communism. The USA could not be further away from those definitions.
The greatest danger to communism taking control is being ably helped by the POTUS. He only knows how to seed division and hate. His skill set comes from a lifetime of using money and the power it brings to bulldoze over anyone and everything to get simply what he wants - and with this guy, it is and always will be all about exactly what he wants, and the rest of the World can just burn.

What nation that has a deeply divided people has ever been in a stronger position to repeal evil and outright subjugation from a foreign power?
The so called communist country whose name I actually fear mentioning because of the power they weld now, and the absolute power they are looking more likely to wield in the future is standing by to step over the dead corpse of the USA and take what ever the fuck they like - both there and eventually everywhere else in the World. And you right wing turkeys are deeply focused on a few left wing loonies?
What would the reality of the scenario I outlay above be for you keyboard warriors? Well, kiss goodbye that cushy IT job DL, and say hello to trawling through trash piles to feed your family, if they are even still alive.
Think it won't happen? The country who I wish not name has already purchased more than half the World in it's never ending quest for absolute domination of the entire Worlds population and resources.

You right wingers may admire and like the work that Trump is doing.
But at what point does the damage he is doing override the delirious joy you all seem to derive of left wing upinarmsiym. Seems to me you are happy for communism overall to win, as long as those left wing commies that largely just live in your head and under your beds are upset.

Instead of applying a red tinted filter, or a blue tinted filter over any given situation, how about just simply using a clear filter first, and make a decision based on what is simply right for the betterment of humanity.

[Katman]

That comment is an example of why you are on ignore.

You do realise the ignore function only works if you actually ignore the person, don't you?

[pritch]

You do realise the ignore function only works if you actually ignore the person, don't you?

OK genius. You do realise though that if somebody quotes it I get to see it don't you.

Then again if following one of the most thoughtful posts seen here in quite some time that's your best shot? Perhaps not.

[Bonez]

C'mon pritch. You have peak at my posts well before they are quoted and have said so in the past. You can't help yourself. What a complete dick you are.

[TheDemonLord]

During 2018, through to mid 2019 I lived in a small to medium rural town in Arkansas, USA.
It was an interesting culture shock for me to see how other people lived.
What I witnessed in terms of racial discrimination in that time was quite the eye opener for me.
A handful of low-lights....
A group of 3 black children (10, 11 years old) while out door knocking to raise money for a school trip having a gun pulled on them by none other than the wife of a high ranking administrator in the local justice department. (she was eventually arrested)
White people queuing in lines for a white checkout assistant while black checkout assistants were available at Walmart.
A tone deaf large sized mural in the local post office depicting black people working a plantation, clearly in slavery times. (That made for an interesting conversation with a black teller one day.)
I saw much more than just that, but those will do for the purpose of this post.
To you sanctimonious keyboard warriors in this forum, try if it is possible for you, to imagine living in that environment as a black person. Living in fear that your children could be shot dead for participating in something as innocent as a school fundraising drive. Or being "randomly" stopped by police and wondering if you will live to see the next day?

There is an implied assumption that I've never lived in a rough neighbourhood, never been pulled over by the Police for being Profiled (Young Male, in a high crime area, walking about late at night, with a hooded jumper) etc.

To those on this forum that are trying to point the finger at left wing radicals for being the reason these protests are exploding across the US, you are denying these genuinely repressed people the right of even protesting the reality they have to endure each and every day. You are de-legitimizing their cause in a quest to push your own insecurities born of fear and ignorance.

Black Lives Matter - an entirely Radical Left-Wing organisation - So it's not finger pointing, when it's the truth.

There are plenty of people who have legitimate grievances that deserve protest. But Protest is not Rioting.

This is where those organizations that are quite open in their calls for Revolution (and sometimes explicitly Violent revolution) comes in to play - remember when BLM were marching 'POP THEM IN THE HEAD AND THEN FRY THEM LIKE BACON!' - They are the ones who are taking that anger and resentment and turning it into VIOLENCE.

To put it more simply: People complaining about being treated like Criminals whilst comitting criminal acts will garner no sympathy.

You mentioned above that a well-to-do lady pulled a Gun on some Black Children. I'm happy to agree that doing so was wrong. Do you agree that the above riots and actions might be one of the factors why she did so?

Sure, some left wing radicals will be using the situation as a opputunity to push their own bullshit agendas, as will right wing activists be doing exactly the same. But the lion share of the protesters are standing up for their very real, and justified grievances. Standing up to a political/judicial system that has ignored their needs and run roughshod over their rights for way too many years.

Not some, all. Propped up by a Left-Wing media, given free-reign by Left-Wing Governors.

Right wing posters here seem obsessed that left wing commies have infiltrated the USA political system and are busy turning the USA into a communist block. Having spent time in the USA I find this notion absolutely laughable. FFS look up wikipedia for the definition of socialism and Communism. The USA could not be further away from those definitions.

They have. Objectively so.
Then we've got Hollywood, the Media, Social Media, The entire education sector, HR and by extension the Corporate world (which is the most ironic) all have a strong Left-Wing bias.

Now, fortunately they are kept in check by not only the Constitution and the Law, but also the fact most people aren't Communists. Most people like private property rights and don't want a violent revolution.

But here's another thing to consider: You use the words 'White Privilege', You mouth the words of revolutionary Marxists: 'wealthy white fucks' - remember? That's the degree of Infiltration. You say you are scared of China, but you mouth the words of Mao Zedong himself.

You might want to think about that.

The greatest danger to communism taking control is being ably helped by the POTUS. He only knows how to seed division and hate. His skill set comes from a lifetime of using money and the power it brings to bulldoze over anyone and everything to get simply what he wants - and with this guy, it is and always will be all about exactly what he wants, and the rest of the World can just burn.

Rubbish. Trump is the reaction from the mainstream AGAINST the creeping infringement of Political Correctness (which is rooted in Marxist ideology). He's not the cause, he's the net result.

If you don't want Trump, cast out the Communists from the Left.

But they refuse to do so, and so Trump will get another term. Same in the UK. Same with the EU. The current Left keep failing to learn the lesson the Electorate is telling them.

The so called communist country whose name I actually fear mentioning because of the power they weld now, and the absolute power they are looking more likely to wield in the future is standing by to step over the dead corpse of the USA and take what ever the fuck they like - both there and eventually everywhere else in the World. And you right wing turkeys are deeply focused on a few left wing loonies?

Do you remember McCarthy? The Communist 'Witch trials', the House of un-american Activities? Remember the claim that various activist and political organizations were funded by the Soviets - remember when this was widely rubbished at the time until the fall of the Soviet union showed it to be 100% true?

I remember...

It's not a few left-wing Loonies - Remember when I asked you could you point to a prominent media figure/Educational figure/Political figure etc. that was a self-avowed Fascist? you cannot, but I can point to multiple of the same who are self-avowed Communists.

What would the reality of the scenario I outlay above be for you keyboard warriors? Well, kiss goodbye that cushy IT job DL, and say hello to trawling through trash piles to feed your family, if they are even still alive.
Think it won't happen? The country who I wish not name has already purchased more than half the World in it's never ending quest for absolute domination of the entire Worlds population and resources.

Sure - China is playing a well played game, but it's not just Infrastructure they are buying up, it's Institutions - like the WHO - it's providing the resources to activist groups so as to undermine their opponents.

And I want to make this clear:

None.
Of.
Which.
Is.
To.
Do.
With.
Trump.

This issue has been brewing for a long time and it far preceeded his term in Office. He is not the Cause, he is a symptom.

You right wingers may admire and like the work that Trump is doing.
But at what point does the damage he is doing override the delirious joy you all seem to derive of left wing upinarmsiym.

When the Left finally learn the lesson and return to the Centre. Balls in your court, always has been.

But yes - the more they move to the Left, the more they call for Violent Revolution, the More they burn down the Communities that they are claiming to be in support of - The more I'm going to enjoy it when the inevitable opposite reaction occurs.

Seems to me you are happy for communism overall to win, as long as those left wing commies that largely just live in your head and under your beds are upset.

Yeah, no.

I keep saying this - but this is a reaction to the agitation caused by those Left Wing Commies. Not the other way around.

Instead of applying a red tinted filter, or a blue tinted filter over any given situation, how about just simply using a clear filter first, and make a decision based on what is simply right for the betterment of humanity.

I don't block or ignore anyone. I listen and read opinions from both sides.

You've stated you have me on Ignore - so I ask, who has the Filter?

I'll ask again to point to a (singular) prominent Fascist that regularly gets Newspaper columns, TV Air time, favorable media Coverage etc. because I can point to a metric fuck-tonne of the Inverse - so I ask, who has the Filter?

[Katman]

OK genius. You do realise though that if somebody quotes it I get to see it don't you.

Regardless of whether someone quotes the post, you're clearly incapable of ignoring it.

[Katman]

I listen and read opinions from both sides.

No you don't.