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[Voltaire]

Its clearly C

The frogs didn't do so well as they were caught out with a unexpected flanking move. Straight through the Forrest of the Arden with heavy armour. This was something the frogs considered impossible.
In case you missed it all their defence was based on a WW1 style static front war of a attrition with a forest line of defence.
They also did not want their country and capital destroyed and burnt to the ground like Warsaw and the rest of Poland.

The Germans had a good handle on Bltizkreig tactical warfare, they had been practicing it since 1936 in Spain, the French on the other hand had a very long border to defend and

after the horrors of WW1 only 20 years earlier why would you want to repeat that.

If it had not been for the Americans I'd imagine Aussie and NZ would have fallen in a matter of weeks.

[husaberg]

The Germans had a good handle on Bltizkreig tactical warfare, they had been practicing it since 1936 in Spain, the French on the other hand had a very long border to defend and

after the horrors of WW1 only 20 years earlier why would you want to repeat that.

If it had not been for the Americans I'd imagine Aussie and NZ would have fallen in a matter of weeks.

A long border alright, one which also bordered Italy, which also many forget also invaded France as well.
Yeah we would all be driving around in Japanese vehicles..........

[Brian d marge]

Its clearly C

The frogs didn't do so well as they were caught out with a unexpected flanking move. Straight through the Forrest of the Arden with heavy armour. This was something the frogs considered impossible.
In case you missed it all their defence was based on a WW1 style static front war of a attrition with a forest line of defence.
They also did not want their country and capital destroyed and burnt to the ground like Warsaw and the rest of Poland.

hows that open mind going??

Sorry my bad , I meant Napoleon ( should have been more clear )

but doesn't it seem strange that an ( Hitler) artist , who was health conscious , loved animals , didn't drink or smoke and had an affinity with Britain ( cliveden set , Montague Normand , shacht etc ) and did what at that time 1 other had done , create a monetary system outside of the international bankers.

( abe Lincoln , Kennedy and Gaddaffi all moved away from international debt based money and they ALL met a similar fate)

So could there be an argument for a white washing of History. ?? I think yes . ( for the record I don't care either way about the German leader , he was a just a pawn in a bigger picture )

and if you want a real laugh , follow the money ( gold ) AFTER the war .. Where DID the money for the marshal plan come from? Britain was broke ....So the Americans out ouf the kindness of their heart , invested into infrastructure in BOTH defeated countries ( iRAQ anyone !) ...

another question why I think of it , WHY did Patton ( or the guy who took over.... Omar Bradly ) NOT go for Berlin , I mean pearl handle pistols , an ego bigger than my credit card bill , and the prize of Berlin was given to the Russians??? ( YEAH RIGHT ) ... WHAT was the real prize Patton( or Bradly ) was told to find ...

I content that it was the Nazi research center in Poland , and why did the British head towards Norway ?

no Im doing this from memory , and you know what my memory is like !

tis why they call me Brian ....

[husaberg]

hows that open mind going??

Sorry my bad , I meant Napoleon ( should have been more clear )

but doesn't it seem strange that an ( Hitler) artist , who was health conscious , loved animals , didn't drink or smoke and had an affinity with Britain ( cliveden set , Montague Normand , shacht etc ) and did what at that time 1 other had done , create a monetary system outside of the international bankers.

( abe Lincoln , Kennedy and Gaddaffi all moved away from international debt based money and they ALL met a similar fate)

So could there be an argument for a white washing of History. ?? I think yes . ( for the record I don't care either way about the German leader , he was a just a pawn in a bigger picture )

and if you want a real laugh , follow the money ( gold ) AFTER the war .. Where DID the money for the marshal plan come from? Britain was broke ....So the Americans out ouf the kindness of their heart , invested into infrastructure in BOTH defeated countries ( iRAQ anyone !) ...

another question why I think of it , WHY did Patton NOT go for Berlin , I mean pearl handle pistols , an ego bigger than my credit card bill , and the prize of Berlin was given to the Russians??? ( YEAH RIGHT ) ... WHAT was the real prize Patton was told to find ...

I content that it was the Nazi research center in Poland , and why did the British head towards Norway ?

no Im doing this from memory , and you know what my memory is like !

tis why they call me Brian ....

An artist is a considerable stretch, a failed artist, with minimal talent, who was at best only a capable draughtsman.
Hilter did not create anything other than a empire that was destroyed in short fashion, along with most of his subjects.
Contrary to what you purport ,He also borrowed up huge and created massive debts he could never pay, which was why he ransacked half of Europe.
It had nothing to do with money, other than his own greed for power.
The other two examples are ridiculous at best, in case you never realised Hussain and ab Lincon met similar fates to Kennedy and Gadaffi yet did not have anything to do with changes to monetary systems.
Simple reason Patton never went for Belin is was it was a futile loss of life caused by Hitler's refusal to surrender, as was his executions right up to the last minute for treason.
ps what about the gold during the war?

[Brian d marge]

An artist is a considerable stretch, a failed artist, with minimal talent, who was at best only a capable draughtsman.
Hilter did not create anything other than a empire that was destroyed in short fashion, along with most of his subjects.
Contrary to what you purport ,He also borrowed up huge and created massive debts he could never pay, which was why he ransacked half of Europe.
It had nothing to do with money, other than his own greed for power.
The other two examples are ridiculous at best, in case you never realised Hussain and ab Lincon met similar fates to Kennedy and Gadaffi yet did not have anything to do with changes to monetary systems.
Simple reason Patton never went for Belin is was it was a futile loss of life caused by Hitler's refusal to surrender, as was his executions right up to the last minute for treason.

Who where these debt owed to? considering the Renttenmark was a internal land backed currency and his labour treasury certificates. and Prescott bush , investing willy nilly !

As for the monetary system , sorry , greenback , and Kennedy silver ( the dollar notes with the red writing on them ) and the dinar , moving away from the petro dollar

As for Omar bradly ( whom took over from patton , I just checked ) , YEAH right , ya dont give the bragging rights to a lesser power UNLESS there is a bigger prize
IMHO

[husaberg]

Who where these debt owed to? considering the Renttenmark was a internal land backed currency and his labour treasury certificates. and Prescott bush , investing willy nilly !

As for the monetary system , sorry , greenback , and Kennedy silver ( the dollar notes with the red writing on them ) and the dinar , moving away from the petro dollar

As for Omar bradly ( whom took over from patton , I just checked ) , YEAH right , ya dont give the bragging rights to a lesser power UNLESS there is a bigger prize
IMHO

International debts Stephen don't tell me you forgot about them you have even posted about them before

Didnt help much

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...tkriseEngl.PNG

And if i remember germany had come off the gold standard in about 33 and was funding internal expansion through government issued bonds as well as a refusal to payback overseas debt

Except one the dawes and young loan

Ps

Bank of england and old monty . . And scharcht best mates

And owned by the zionist
Look at the zionist finger prints all over the german economy until Georing took over

Funny enough
Later, after Hitler was elected Chancellor he made a deal with Alfried Krupp - then Europe's leading industrialist - that if he would help him convince the rest of Germany's leading industrialists to back the Nazi party both politically and financially, Hitler would make sure Krupp would get preferred treatment during the rebuilding of the army. The deals he made with the others was that they would get government contracts when he rebuilt Germany's military if they would start hiring and tell their workers to support the Nazi party as the economic saviour of Germany. In addition he arranged for loans from Germany's leading banks and financiers based on the introductions from Krupp and the other industrialists to help fund public works projects aimed at getting Germans back to work and preparing the nation's infrastructure for what was to come. This is all described in Alfried Krupp's autobiography; he survived the war and a prison term and even got his family's steel works back into operation before he died.

In the wake of the world economic crisis, unemployment was high in Europe. Germany had even more financial problems than other nations because of obligations in the Treaty of Versailles, a consequence of WWI. Nevertheless, unemployment decreased in Germany more than elsewhere in Europe because Hitler and Schacht used deficit spending to finance massive job-creation programs. From 1936 on, these programs focused on re-armament. They were mostly financed by means of so-called Mefo bills, a system of deferred payment. Mefo (full name: Metallurgische Forschungsgesellschaft mbH) was a shell company (founded by Schacht) whose sole function was to accept promissory notes, mainly from armament manufacturers. This created a bubble economy, and Schacht stepped down in 1939, but the whole scandal was covered up when war broke out.

Nazi government was operating on the edge as early as 1937, and that looting the Austrian treasury in that year kept things afloat. Siezing the Ceczh treasury in early 1939 helped as well.
Germany's current balance of payments moved into deficit in 1938. In the winter of 38/39 Hitler faced a choice of either curtailing civilian consumption or slowing down rearmament.

Goering November 1938 "There is a tremendous shortage of skilled workers .....This cannot be relieved through closing down the factories which produce seemingly unimportant consumer goods. For when the workers can no longer buy consumer goods for their wages......that is the beginning of inflation, and that is the beginning of the end".
The Nazis given Germany's recent history of hyper inflation would naturally wish to avoid inflation at all costs. Hitler 22 August 1939 "Our economic situation is such that we can hold out a few more years.....We have no other choice, we must act".

Military outlays as a percent of national income (GDP for Germany):
1935: France 5.8%, Britain 2% Germany 6%
1938: France 8.6%, Britain 8%, Germany 17.2%
1939: France 23%, Britain 22%, Germany 30%

Its pretty easy to see why and what the money was being spent on.

This was also contrary to popular belief despite being repeatedly given huge write offs and concessions from the WW1 war reparations
In 1933, the new German Chancellor Adolf Hitler cancelled all payments

Back then Stephan the treasury's assets were GOLD.......
looting assets from annexed Austria, occupied Czechoslovakia, and Nazi-governed Danzig. It is believed that these three sources boosted German official gold reserves by US $71m between 1937 and 1939.
They even managed by threatening the bank officials with death to get 50 tons of Czech reserve gold transferred over in England. Before anyone caught on.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/b...-stole....html

Well Bradley and Patton are both Tanks
but its pretty simple and entirely reasonable to let 100,000 of your allies soldiers die rather than your own, for a futile reason of capturing a defeated army.
The same reason that the US never went through with the plans to invade the Japanese mainland.

Ps I always thought it was Brian demarge because you spread easier than butter.

[Voltaire]

My old man used to wonder how Stalin managed to get such a large slice of Europe at Tehran or one of those conferences ( can't be arsed looking it up) when both Churchill and Roosevelt spoke English and Stalin did not.... Suspect Roosevelt was a Commie, probably why he died and Truman got it back on track.( last bit a diy conspiracy bit)

[Katman]

It was the decision made at Casablanca, to accept nothing less than unconditional surrender, that saw the war drag on for longer than necessary - along with the resulting deaths.

Clearly there was still good money to be made.

[husaberg]

My old man used to wonder how Stalin managed to get such a large slice of Europe at Tehran or one of those conferences ( can't be arsed looking it up) when both Churchill and Roosevelt spoke English and Stalin did not.... Suspect Roosevelt was a Commie, probably why he died and Truman got it back on track.( last bit a diy conspiracy bit)

My understanding was Poland was important to Russia as that is where they were normally invaded through.
Stalin was pretty upset that the other two had dragged their heels in opening the western front.
the US also needed Russia to open another front with Japan.
It was a deal of convenience.

ps it was in the Crimea at Yalta, as Smoking joe was scared of flying. that the borders were decided.
the first meting was at iran. where D.day was planned
Stalin never went to the Casablanca conference. No mater what katman thinks

Casablanca Conference
Morocco January 14 – 24, 1943 Churchill, Roosevelt, Charles de Gaulle, Henri Giraud
Plan Italian Campaign, plan cross-channel invasion in 1944, declaration of "unconditional surrender" of Axis, incitement to unify French fighting authorities of London and Algiers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...II_conferences

[Katman]

Stalin never went to the Casablanca conference. No mater what katman thinks

I never said he did, you stupid fuck.

[husaberg]

I never said he did, you stupid fuck.

put down the p pipe and look what you replied to you cretin.

My old man used to wonder how Stalin managed to get such a large slice of Europe at Tehran or one of those conferences ( can't be arsed looking it up) when both Churchill and Roosevelt spoke English and Stalin did not.... Suspect Roosevelt was a Commie, probably why he died and Truman got it back on track.( last bit a diy conspiracy bit)

It was the decision made at Casablanca, to accept nothing less than unconditional surrender, that saw the war drag on for longer than necessary - along with the resulting deaths.

Clearly there was still good money to be made.

[Katman]

Look what you replied to you cretin.

I added a comment.

I didn't 'reply' to anyone.

You stupid fuck.

[husaberg]

You are both stupid, narcissistic, paranoid, deluded and wrong. I will shorten it though, you are katman

ps that's not a reply to you. Its just a comment

[awa355]

I never said he did, you stupid fuck.

put down the p pipe and look what you replied to you cretin.

Have you two given thought to standing for the Presidential election yourselves?

[husaberg]

Have you two given thought to standing for the Presidential election yourselves?

Pretty sure you would need to be American.
Funny enough ol katman also believes in a lot a lot of the stuff Trump says.
katman can't even answer if he was speeding when he was fitted up for a speeding ticket by a corrupt NZ police and judicial system.
So how would he go on the hard questions like his own drug use.