The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

**Grumph** · 4th December 2016, 15:10

Originally Posted by bogan

Maybe try fact checking your bullshit, so as not to embarrass yourself. And perhaps you should read bit slower, since I didn't say that you thought it was true; just that perpetuating bullshit without bothering to fact check it is what is wrong with voters these days.

I was highly amused - and a tad frightened - to see on a US bike forum that a lot of them were objecting to the Bill going forward aimed at shutting down the "disinformation" false news websites. They described it as the bill banning the truth....

What seems to be wrong with US voters anyway is a simple lack of belief that anyone can speak the truth. It's probably got to the point where they wouldn't recognise the truth anyway.

**Katman** · 4th December 2016, 15:17

Originally Posted by Grumph

I was highly amused - and a tad frightened - to see on a US bike forum that a lot of them were objecting to the Bill going forward aimed at shutting down the "disinformation" false news websites. They described it as the bill banning the truth....

And so they should be objecting.

The day that the government gets to dictate what we are supposed to believe as the truth, is the day they will have completely fucked us over.

**bogan** · 4th December 2016, 16:04

Originally Posted by Grumph

I was highly amused - and a tad frightened - to see on a US bike forum that a lot of them were objecting to the Bill going forward aimed at shutting down the "disinformation" false news websites. They described it as the bill banning the truth....

What seems to be wrong with US voters anyway is a simple lack of belief that anyone can speak the truth. It's probably got to the point where they wouldn't recognise the truth anyway.

Which just highlights the tricky bits of such a bill. Firstly, that it cannot be used in such a way to shut down the actual truth; secondly, that it cannot be applied in such a way that the public see it as shutting down the 'truth' and take to believing the disinformation on that basis.

The internet is a relatively new phenomenon, and these echo chambers and false news/fact sites even more so; I'm hoping people (readers and news orgs/vlogs/etc) will learn to adapt to the landscape of disinformation and apply basic fact checking to prevent the drivel from going viral.

**yokel** · 4th December 2016, 19:17

When the likes of the BBC that are the "experts" at identifying and flushing out paedophiles tell you that "pizzagate" is just another "fake news" story I guess we must trust them?

The fact that these cunts think that they have the authority over what is the truth is just a fucking joke.

**Brian d marge** · 4th December 2016, 21:02

Originally Posted by yokel

When the likes of the BBC that are the "experts" at identifying and flushing out paedophiles tell you that "pizzagate" is just another "fake news" story I guess we must trust them?

The fact that these cunts think that they have the authority over what is the truth is just a fucking joke.

The BBC would be the definitive experts
Half of them are at it
So yes I'd they try and squash this story , it must be true hahahahahaaaaaaa

sent for a divine source

**mashman** · 4th December 2016, 21:59

Originally Posted by Grumph

I was highly amused - and a tad frightened - to see on a US bike forum that a lot of them were objecting to the Bill going forward aimed at shutting down the "disinformation" false news websites. They described it as the bill banning the truth....

What seems to be wrong with US voters anyway is a simple lack of belief that anyone can speak the truth. It's probably got to the point where they wouldn't recognise the truth anyway.

I seem to remember a few years ago that the u.s. passed a bill that allowed MSM to show news that they knew was faked.

**oldrider** · 5th December 2016, 01:57

Originally Posted by Grumph

I was highly amused - and a tad frightened - to see on a US bike forum that a lot of them were objecting to the Bill going forward aimed at shutting down the "disinformation" false news websites. They described it as the bill banning the truth....

What seems to be wrong with US voters anyway is a simple lack of belief that anyone can speak the truth. It's probably got to the point where they wouldn't recognise the truth anyway.

Speaking the truth? -

- Who's truth? -

Try speaking or questioning the truth about Israel or for that matter anything Jewish and see how far you get without ridicule and condemnation! -

**Brian d marge** · 5th December 2016, 13:30

Originally Posted by mashman

I seem to remember a few years ago that the u.s. passed a bill that allowed MSM to show news that they knew was faked.

Yes that right it went to the court who upheld the decision

sent for a divine source

**HenryDorsetCase** · 5th December 2016, 20:29

Watching 'Mrka turn into an overt fascist dictatorship is fun and all, but I think the future first lady has something going for her.

**yokel** · 6th December 2016, 19:29

Originally Posted by Brian d marge

The BBC would be the definitive experts
Half of them are at it
So yes I'd they try and squash this story , it must be true hahahahahaaaaaaa

sent for a divine source

When the MSM keep calling it "fake news" means it is most definitely not fake.

It is real and the shit is going to hit the fan.

**Brian d marge** · 6th December 2016, 20:02

Originally Posted by yokel

When the MSM keep calling it "fake news" means it is most definitely not fake.

It is real and the shit is going to hit the fan.

Absolutely

The Brits have sent a taskforce to the south china sea
Don't know how big or what composed of ...
But , even a limited spat would ruin my social life big time
Buy weapons. Stock pile beer , and some chocolate for the missus and hope it dont go nuclear

sent for a divine source

**jasonu** · 8th December 2016, 03:55

Trump has won another best of a bad bunch race.

http://www.ktvz.com/news/national-wo...year/199868843

**pritch** · 8th December 2016, 07:53

Originally Posted by jasonu

Trump has won another best of a bad bunch race.

http://www.ktvz.com/news/national-wo...year/199868843

I'm not of a mind to buy the magazine to find out why, but Trump is not happy with Time magazine. He may have won, and that's usually all that matters to him, but Time must have been less than complimentary in their comments.

I see that he is also unhappy with Boeing over something someone said. He wants to scrap the new Air Force One project. He'd probably miss the gold fittings in his own Boeing.

The (two) aircraft designed to operate as the Presidential flight are fully equipped to operate as a mobile national command centre, but are also fitted with all the anti-missile and in-flight refuelling equipment usually only found on military aircraft.

A far cry from the unreliable "bargain" Boeing that the NZ PM uses.

**oldrider** · 9th December 2016, 06:59

Originally Posted by pritch

I'm not of a mind to buy the magazine to find out why, but Trump is not happy with Time magazine. He may have won, and that's usually all that matters to him, but Time must have been less than complimentary in their comments.

I see that he is also unhappy with Boeing over something someone said. He wants to scrap the new Air Force One project. He'd probably miss the gold fittings in his own Boeing.

The (two) aircraft designed to operate as the Presidential flight are fully equipped to operate as a mobile national command centre, but are also fitted with all the anti-missile and in-flight refuelling equipment usually only found on military aircraft.

A far cry from the unreliable "bargain" Boeing that the NZ PM uses.

Trump interview way back at the outset:

And here he is President of the USA - who'd of thought, way back then! - Old adage "do or die" - Well? - is he doing or is he dead man walking?

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