The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

[pritch]

As for trumps mrs, she looks like a typical eastern block misery guts.

But have you noticed how much bigger her boobs are since she had her "kidney operation"?

[Viking01]

Thanks - no I won't be ripping our comments apart - I'm inclined to agree with you .

I think you are right, that a new Republican leader will emerge - I hope it is someone like John McCain ..

But they will not take over if Trump is impeached and toss out - Pence will - and he's potentially worse than Trump.
He and his supporters want to see the Apocalypse - and is probably prepared to start it .

Afternoon.

1. John McCain
Another "leader" like McCain ? Where would they find another man
of that calibre ? Probably have to go to the "other" circus (you know,
the one with real clowns) and interview the Cannon Ball Man.

Works well under pressure ? Tick. Used to being in the gun ? Tick.

2. Impeachment
No. Not going to happen. Even if the Democrats happened to gain
control of both Houses. Just being used as a pressure point, and
for catching votes in future elections (mid terms and 2020).

Members of both Houses have more common interest than they
have real differences. [ Who do they both really represent ? ]

Even if some Democrats thought about avenging Bill Clinton (it's
ancient history now), think sensible people realise impeachment
(for payback purpose) is a very poor course of action.

Another impeachment would have much wider consequences. It
would be very damaging to "US democracy" (current US economic
and political structure) as a whole.

Imagine if the "man in the street" started thinking "a pox on both
your houses".

And I'm sure their political sponsors have already been quick to
remind them that "markets do not like volatility !"

The Republicans will just have to slowly clean up their own mess,
and suffer the political fall-out along the way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effort...h_Donald_Trump

3. Apocalypse

I have to admit when I was working outside over the week-end,
the thought did happen to cross my mind about our civil defence
preparedness.

And now, as you say, even the prospect of a nuclear apocalypse.

But we have an easement - with a sewer line - across the back
of the property, so even if we built a fall-out shelter in preparation,
I think that we might still end up in the s...

[husaberg]

Reality....

The Post-ABC poll finds that 72 per cent of adults think the Democrats would seek to impeach the president if they were in power in the House, including 79 per cent of Republicans and 70 per cent of Democrats. However, the country is closely divided on the question of whether Congress should begin such proceedings - 49 per cent are in favour and 46 per cent opposed. The gap between the support for impeachment proceedings and the wider perception that Democrats would undertake them could be a liability for Democratic candidates in November.
This Post-ABC poll was conducted 26-29 August among a national random sample of 1,003 adults, including 879 registered voters. The overall results have an error margin of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points, while the sample of registered voters has an error margin of plus or minus four points.

Registered voters say they favour the Democratic candidate over the Republican candidate in their district by 52 per cent to 38 per cent.

When asked whether they would rather have Democrats control Congress "as a check on Trump" or a Republican-controlled Congress "to support Trump's agenda," 60 per cent of voters say they prefer having Democrats in control. In July 2017, that figure was 52 per cent, at a time when Mr Trump's job ratings were almost identical to today.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8522311.html

FiveThirtyEight's forecast for the mid-terms puts the likelihood of Democrats taking the House at more than 70 per cent.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8517961.html

At the end of 2017, polls showed that more than 40 percent of Americans wanted Trump impeached

Latest poll ABC News/Washington Post August 26–29, 2018 want him impeached 49%
https://www.langerresearch.com/wp-co...estigation.pdf

If you go back to Clinton
Do you approve of the decision to impeach Clinton?
Impeach
Approve 35% Disapprove 63%
Clintons approval rating was which was over 70% at the time of his impeachment.
Trump's approval rating is much much lower -- 39%


Richard Nixon
President Richard Nixon, who 43% of Americans said should be impeached and removed from office in a March 1974 Harris poll.
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/22/p...oll/index.html

[Viking01]

Reality....

Thanks for the reply and the attached statistics.

But you didn't say whether you thought Trump would end up being impeached - or not.

Plenty more water to flow under the bridge yet. I guess only time will tell. I've no issue
with being proven wrong.

[pritch]

My understanding, however limited, is that impeachment requires the votes of sixty senators to pass. The Democrats are not likely to have that sort of a majority after the November election.

Still, the Republicans have their tax cut, and it looks as if they’ll have the Supreme Court for a generation or so. They could decide to limit the negative side effects and let Trump go. When you look at the order of succession though that’s cold comfort, but it would only be for a couple of years.

Trump is approaching 5,000 lies since his inauguration. When he hits the big number they should throw a party.

[husaberg]

Thanks for the reply and the attached statistics.

But you didn't say whether you thought Trump would end up being impeached - or not.

Plenty more water to flow under the bridge yet. I guess only time will tell. I've no issue
with being proven wrong.

I didnt say as i cant predict the future.
He has done far worse than Clinton ever did, well on par with Nixon. Certainly more than Johnson.
I certainly cant predict how trump will act minute to minute either.
But Trump continues to alienate his own party and it looks like the Republicans will continue to loose support and if trump continues to meddle in legal maters such as pardons for his cronies.
Also assuming that the Dems have the numbers in senate and congress i cant really see it not happening.
If the Dems get control of Congress and the senate, hes a lame duck ever-way as he would be able to form the sorts of deals required as he doesn't have the communication skills.
His only weaon if that happens is a government shut down and i predict that will result in even less support as the media dont support or trust him any more than the public currently do.

[Grumph]

I can't see him being impeached. His fallback position is to point to Pense and ask "Do you want this ?" What I can see happening is a deal being struck with the Senate that he'll have an approved Secretary of State and National Security Advisor to keep him in line. For the remainder of a term, I'd think he'd accept that. Depends what charges look like sticking to him....

The push for impeachment isn't coming from the Dems - the Republicans are screaming that the Dems want it simply as a tactic for the midterms...

Don't discount the threat from the Christian right either. They do seriously want armageddon. They're pointing to - and quoting - scripture as prediction that it's imminent. And they're prepared to provoke it too. They're the really frightening nutcases.

[Viking01]

It's a long read, so better make a fresh cup of coffee.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...resident-pence

[pritch]

I see that Ivanka Trump has canned her clothing line made in China. It's also noted that Trump is now threatening new tariffs on China. Coincidence?

You may recall Trumps vitriolic outbursts against NFL players protesting police violence. Now that Nike have commenced an ad campaign featuring Colin Kaepernik negative comment may have been expected similar to the orange roughy's previous performance - but no, it's strangely quiet. Turns out Nike are significant tennants of a Trump property. Another coincidence?

[Viking01]

https://www.commondreams.org/news/20...op-readies-600

https://dissidentvoice.org/2018/09/i...k-times-op-ed/

[jasonu]

I see that Ivanka Trump has canned her clothing line made in China. It's also noted that Trump is now threatening new tariffs on China. Coincidence?

You may recall Trumps vitriolic outbursts against NFL players protesting police violence. Now that Nike have commenced an ad campaign featuring Colin Kaepernik negative comment may have been expected similar to the orange roughy's previous performance - but no, it's strangely quiet. Turns out Nike are significant tennants of a Trump property. Another coincidence?

Are you Katman or closely related to katman?

[husaberg]

I see that Ivanka Trump has canned her clothing line made in China. It's also noted that Trump is now threatening new tariffs on China. Coincidence?

You may recall Trumps vitriolic outbursts against NFL players protesting police violence. Now that Nike have commenced an ad campaign featuring Colin Kaepernik negative comment may have been expected similar to the orange roughy's previous performance - but no, it's strangely quiet. Turns out Nike are significant tennants of a Trump property. Another coincidence?

Its turns out her largest retailer pulled her product in July
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/bay...pped-1.4746574
Nordstrom dropped her line in February 2017 claimed its decision was due to lagging sales.

In May, she declined to answer questions about receiving half a dozen trademarks from China right before her father announced he would rescue a Chinese company the Commerce Department had deemed a national security threat. And the year prior, she received a slew of trademark approvals the same day she dined with Chinese President Xi Jinping at Mar-a-Lago.

Not even close to the same views are expressed by Pritch Jason? Pritch also has a decent vocabulary. Plus he doent appear to be paranoid or narcissistic

[Grumph]

I see that Ivanka Trump has canned her clothing line made in China. It's also noted that Trump is now threatening new tariffs on China. Coincidence?

You may recall Trumps vitriolic outbursts against NFL players protesting police violence. Now that Nike have commenced an ad campaign featuring Colin Kaepernik negative comment may have been expected similar to the orange roughy's previous performance - but no, it's strangely quiet. Turns out Nike are significant tennants of a Trump property. Another coincidence?

I note Nike's sales are reported as up 31% since the start of that ad campaign. Looks like they did their homework....

[Grumph]

But have you noticed how much bigger her boobs are since she had her "kidney operation"?

Refreshing the assets for the next owner - at the current owner's cost.....

[Voltaire]

Refreshing the assets for the next owner - at the current owner's cost.....

Probably tax deductable ( assuming they pay any) as marketing.