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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonu View Post
    I couldn't find anything in the Harold so obviously it isn't true.
    All we'll have to do is wait a few weeks. Puerto Rico is still a bloody mess - and will stay that way for years.

    Lets see how the relief effort in the Carolinas plays out. Trump's promised the moon, let's see how much gets delivered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonu View Post
    I couldn't find anything in the Harold so obviously it isn't true.
    Try reading credible news sources. 'Credible" just got a bit easier, yer old favourite Infowars seems to have struck a head wind. Breitbart is still there, any credible source would be better though.

    Seriously, critical thinking is in short supply. Remarkable considering the number of podcasts and other sources trying to correct the shortfall.

    The USA, and this country, sure seem to need them.
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    Are there no other US candidates available for election?

    Appears there are/have been others of good value but they simply seem to disappear just when the country needs them most?



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    Quote Originally Posted by jasonu View Post
    Please show credible proof of this.
    If you want to answer your own question, "Google is your friend" (so I'm told).

    Just enter "fema response to US hurricane" into Google, and select the hurricane
    of your choice (starting say Katrina in 2005). If you want a few suggestions,
    try hurricanes:

    -Katrina in 2005 (New Orleans)
    -Harvey in 2017 (Texas)
    -Maria in 2017 (Puerto Rico)

    Or you could search the following articles (found in 5 minutes) for mention of FEMA
    and the reported adequacy of its response.

    Hurricane Katrina
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critic...ricane_Katrina
    http://edition.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/14/fema.ig/

    Hurricane Harvey
    https://www.texastribune.org/2018/02...aster-respons/

    Hurricane Maria
    https://abcnews.go.com/US/year-hurri...ry?id=57960340
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...04-story.html#

    It's not that hurricanes are a new phenomenon, and that they have never occurred
    before in the Gulf of Mexico or along the eastern seaboard of the US. Though their
    more recent intensity may be.

    Given the money recently allocated in tax breaks and for military purposes ($1.5 Tr),
    it's not :
    1. that money is in short supply, or
    2. that more investment in preventative measures and recovery wouldn't help reduce
    death toll or overall cost to the US economy.

    In the case of the following article about hurricane Maria, it highlighted a possible
    difference in priority for response:

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...esponse-480557

    It will be interesting to see if the same will be said about recent hurricane Florence.

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    Puerto Rico and Haiti

    Quote Originally Posted by Grumph View Post
    All we'll have to do is wait a few weeks. Puerto Rico is still a bloody mess - and will stay that way for years.
    Grumph, please excuse me while I "steal your quote" as it seemed to be on the
    money (so to speak).

    Earlier in the week, there was a post relating to US FEMA and its response to
    hurricanes within the US and its dependencies, and hurricane Maria (which hit
    Puerto Rico) was one mentioned.

    But there is a wider problem that should probably be noted as well. Labelled
    as "disaster capitalism". or "Where there is a disaster, there's money to be
    made".

    Puerto Rico
    Acknowledge that the following articles are all left leaning, but I'm sure that
    readers can adjust accordingly. The facts on the ground will be the same
    however it is spun.

    https://www.newstatesman.com/world/n...ter-ever-trump

    It appears that for some, every cloud has a silver lining:

    http://cepr.net/publications/op-eds-...nomic-troubles

    http://cepr.net/blogs/the-americas-b...nd-s-residents


    And a similar problem is shared by another Caribbean neighbour.

    Haiti

    Back in 2010, Haiti suffered a magnitude 7 earthquake that caused wide-spread
    death and destruction. International military forces were quickly deployed to
    keep law and order.

    And while there were many international pledges of assistance, the country was
    soon in lockdown mode and it became difficult to get visibility of what recovery
    effort was actually being undertaken (let alone progress and how successful).

    After 5 years (2015), even the BBC queried an apparent "lack of progress", and
    questioned where and how funds for recovery were being spent.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-33802203

    With a US election due in 2016, there were political rumours that some US funds
    (possibly being directed via the Clinton Foundation) might not be reaching Haiti,
    or not being spent wisely. And it all got very political very quickly.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37826098

    https://www.mondialisation.ca/hurric...-funds/5550029

    While the UN Stabilisation mission started being wound down in 2017:

    https://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/...y-but-for-whom

    the question was still being asked in 2018: Where did the reconstruction money
    end up being spent? And did it lead to reinstatement of housing and other basic
    services for the Haitian people:

    http://cepr.net/blogs/haiti-relief-a...nding-in-haiti

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    Well, shit, those of us living in and around Christchurch know all about promises - and missing money.

    Why should the US be any different - or better ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grumph View Post
    Well, shit, those of us living in and around Christchurch know all about promises - and missing money.

    Why should the US be any different - or better ?

    I think that I've tracked down some of the "missing money" re Christchurch.
    Watching TV3 news tonight while having dinner, I can see some went into
    that new restaurant and cinema complex that is just about to open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viking01 View Post
    I think that I've tracked down some of the "missing money" re Christchurch.
    Watching TV3 news tonight while having dinner, I can see some went into
    that new restaurant and cinema complex that is just about to open.
    The reality of central ChCh is that cafes and restaurants are closing because people don't want to go into the central city....

    I saw that item too - and all of us here just looked at each other and asked "will anyone go there ?"

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    I realise its not from whacko.com, comspiracy.co.ru or other reliable sites but its an interesting read about how to set up a transitional administration when you surprisingly win an election.

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/201...ransition-team
    DeMyer's Laws - an argument that consists primarily of rambling quotes isn't worth bothering with.

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    This photo is from this morning's Senate hearing. Judge Kavanaugh, candidate for the highest court in the land, would have us believe he has the respect of all the women he has known. He has a letter signed by over sixty of them to say so, although some have since stated they no longer wish to be associated with it.

    I have no idea what he was saying when the pic was taken, but look at the faces of the women.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voltaire View Post
    I realise its not from whacko.com, comspiracy.co.ru or other reliable sites but its an interesting read about how to set up a transitional administration when you surprisingly win an election.

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/201...ransition-team

    That is some bizarre reading. Cheers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by george formby View Post
    That is some bizarre reading. Cheers.
    Not much that's new though. Some of the detail I hadn't seen before, but the events described have all been in the news. Nearly two years in though, Trump still knows nothing and he still doesn't give a shit.

    Interesting comments about Trump considering that any money raised was his. It was the same with the lawyers, he regarded all government lawyers as being on his team. His comment when he was told that nothing he told the Whitehouse Counsel was subject to legal privilege and that the special prosecutor could call McGahn as a witness was to the effect, "Jesus! I've talked to him a lot."

    The book could be interesting but it doesn't feel very rewarding to spend money on a book that mainly just provides a sense of deja vu. Of course if that article was news to anyone, for them the book would be worth the money.
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    Good luck or good management?

    Goy really are that stupid? - https://twitter.com/cursedsalad/stat...rymakow.com%2F That could only be true if the Goy allow it to happen - don't blame the Jews.

    John Wayne once said:- Life is hard it's even harder if you are stupid!

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldrider View Post
    John Wayne once said:- Life is hard it's even harder if you are stupid!
    Nah, that was Scummy said that.
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