The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

[sugilite:Me]

Why would he? He know's we are right and you are wrong.

You've always been wrong you just dont know it yet.

Its really funny actually.

I'm sure Bonez is relieved he has a big strong boy like you to answer for him.

[oldrider]

Where do you want to be when the civil war begins?

Ten things that could ignite a full-blown civil war in 2020… and any of these ten could happen AT ANY TIME - https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-12-...r-in-2020.html - No thanks!

[Bonez]

The usual fear mongoring. Of course no one really knows what will happen. MSM are touting another recession. Mind you they have been saying that since 1998. Just grab your pop corn and watch the show, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6ogBaz8RPQ

[pritch]

The usual fear mongoring. Of course no one really knows what will happen. MSM are touting another recession. Mind you they have been saying that since 1998.

Which ignores the general financial collapse 2007/8 that occurred under Dubbya's stewardship and which Obama had to clean up.

Trump seems to have bullied Treasury into doing some 'quantitative easing' which is artificially inflating the economy.

Mnuchin has just announced a deficit of 1 trillion dollars for the second year in a row.

The current situation seems something of a fools paradise.

[husaberg]

Which ignores the general financial collapse 2007/8 that occurred under Dubbya's stewardship and which Obama had to clean up.

Trump seems to have bullied Treasury into doing some 'quantitative easing' which is artificially inflating the economy.

Mnuchin has just announced a deficit of 1 trillion dollars for the second year in a row.

The current situation seems something of a fools paradise.

The problem is when they control at least 2 out of three.
https://thereformedbroker.com/2016/1...nancial-crash/

In fact, the ONLY 3 PERIODS of extended unified Republican governments going back to 1900 ALL DIRECTLY led to banking crises….Arguably the 3 worst in US History. To be clear, I am defining ‘extended’ unified governments as anytime they control the House, Senate and White house for at least 4 years

The list of Unified Republican Government crises include the Panic of 1907, The Great Depression, and the Financial Crisis of 2007-2008. Interestingly, the record of extended Republican control of Congress has also only led to crises. There have only been 4 periods of extended Republican control of Congress (3 of which overlap with the periods of full unified control just mentioned). However, the 4th period (I KID YOU NOT) ended in the 2000 DotCom Bust where the Republicans controlled the House and Senate from 1995-2001.

[Bonez]

Which ignores the general financial collapse 2007/8 that occurred under Dubbya's stewardship and which Obama had to clean up.

Trump seems to have bullied Treasury into doing some 'quantitative easing' which is artificially inflating the economy.

Mnuchin has just announced a deficit of 1 trillion dollars for the second year in a row.

The current situation seems something of a fools paradise.

I knew you couldn't resist that. Shows you're a fucken liar and never put me on ignor at all. The Fed has been notorious for keeping interest rates high.

[pritch]

I'm sure Bonez is relieved he has a big strong boy like you to answer for him.

This made me curious to see what Bonez' response was. Be assured I consider him an ignorant berk and experience suggests he has nothing to say normally that I'd want to read. He is absolutely on ignore.

While his grip on reality may be tenuous, he doesn't seem to have totally lost it like Austingter.

I note that some of the people in the US who wrote negatively about the Sergeant killed in Niger have apologised. Apparently Breitbart reported something, then "satirical" sites embellished it, but these were then picked up and reported as fact. This is somewhat understandable, to the extent that under Trump reality is frequently more weird than satire.

Happy New Year y'all. Well, most of you.

[Bonez]

I note that some of the people in the US who wrote negatively about the Sergeant killed in Niger have apologised. Apparently Breitbart reported something, then "satirical" sites embellished it, but these were then picked up and reported as fact.

Happy New Year y'all. Well, most of you.

C'mon the msm have been getting it wrong for decades without doing any real fact checking. Recentily the Covington kid fiascoe comes to mind, then there's the Mueller fiascoe, Smullet fiascoe, Avenati.... You get the picture. As for satire Congressman Shift comes to mind presenting satire as evidence against Trump in the recent sham impeachment trial.

[sugilite:Me]

I find it interesting that the right wingers quote the Mueller investigation as a failure, when in fact multiple arrests and convictions were secured. The Russian interference was verified. These people then go wandering down the fox/whitehouse talking points avenue. Mueller could not have made it any clearer. 10 counts of obstruction from Trump alone and the only reason he was not charged by , is because the DOJ made it clear that a sitting president cannot be charged as such. So Mueller put in a road map for the Dems. Who then completely incompetently fucked it up. (seriously, they are a complete joke)
Same goes for this Ukraine thing. If a left sitting president pulled the same shit Trump did, then the right would be up in arms saying impeach that mofo. That is the sham, each side posturing and exclaiming outrage, when BOTH side pull the same shit.
Austin is completely gone, his critical thinking stops at Right Wing talking points = fact, and Left = bad. It seems we have another contender keen to display just how one eyed blind they are too.
All they have to do is ask themselves, if it were the other side doing these things, would I be OK with it?

[oldrider]

I find it interesting that the right wingers quote the Mueller investigation as a failure, when in fact multiple arrests and convictions were secured. The Russian interference was verified. These people then go wandering down the fox/whitehouse talking points avenue. Mueller could not have made it any clearer. 10 counts of obstruction from Trump alone and the only reason he was not charged by , is because the DOJ made it clear that a sitting president cannot be charged as such. So Mueller put in a road map for the Dems. Who then completely incompetently fucked it up. (seriously, they are a complete joke)
Same goes for this Ukraine thing. If a left sitting president pulled the same shit Trump did, then the right would be up in arms saying impeach that mofo. That is the sham, each side posturing and exclaiming outrage, when BOTH side pull the same shit.
Austin is completely gone, his critical thinking stops at Right Wing talking points = fact, and Left = bad. It seems we have another contender keen to display just how one eyed blind they are too.
All they have to do is ask themselves, if it were the other side doing these things, would I be OK with it?

Typical:- This is the orchestrated political arena - A and B fighting (to no clear conclusion) for the benefit of C (financial/political backers) and to the deception of the world/electorate at large!

It will never change and the results will always be essentially the same! - To the benefit of the bankers and their corporate lackey's. They never lose! -

[Bonez]

Typical:- This is the orchestrated political arena - A and B fighting (to no clear conclusion) for the benefit of C (financial/political backers) and to the deception of the world/electorate at large!

It will never change and the results will always be essentially the same! - To the benefit of the bankers and their corporate lackey's. They never lose! -

Exactly. Well put.

I'm sure if Killery won we'd be having a few more new wars though.

[oldrider]

What goes round comes round:- https://www.zerohedge.com/political/...ndangers-obama - - Interesting?

[pritch]

[QUOTE=sugilite;1131149922]I find it interesting that the right wingers quote the Mueller investigation as a failure, when in fact multiple arrests and convictions were secured. The Russian interference was verified. [QUOTE]

There was continuous collusion between the Trump campaign and Russian oligarchs. Mueller said he could not establish conspiracy with the Russian Government. By which he meant he couldn't prove it in court. The Russians were mainly mates of Putin, you can't be an oligarch and not be, but OK, convincing a jury is complicated.

Mueller basically said Junior wasn't prosecuted because he was too stupid. Normally we understand that ignorance of the law is no excuse. In some areas of the law in the US though, it's necessary to prove intent. Election law is one such, and Mueller said he couldn't prove that Junior knew what he was doing.

That thing about not prosecuting a sitting president is only an opinion from the Office of Legal Counsel (OLC). The thought was that the president is too busy to be tied up in court. Of course that was normal presidents who actually went to work before 11.00AM. The OLC is part of the Justice Dept normally occupied with checking that new laws being passed are not in conflict with existing laws. These days a lot of their time is taken up with trying to explain why the latest illegal shit Trump is doing is not illegal. That opinion could be changed, but not while Barr runs the Justice Dept.

[QUOTE=sugilite;1131149922] So Mueller put in a road map for the Dems. Who then completely incompetently fucked it up. [QUOTE]

Impeachment is not a one time thing. It's highly likely more Trump crimes will come to light and the Dems can impeach him again. They can use the 10 obstruction charges any time they like.
Like you I was surprised they didn't do that already, but apparently they are currently going for simplicity.

One interesting legal theory is that Trump's pardon power is now restricted or gone completely. Impeachment drastically reduces the presidents power in that regard. Some of his mates currently in cells may be sweating that one.

If a left sitting president pulled the same shit Trump did, then the right would be up in arms saying impeach that mofo.

It's interesting looking at the old clips of Miss Lindsey and Moscow Mitch demanding impeachment when the president was Bill Clinton. And that was only for lying about a blow job. Now that it's Trump the shoe is completely on the other foot. No vestige of logic at all, they should be embarrassed. They can't really be thanking Trump for putting them in that position.

[Bonez]

Lest we forget https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k-Nu_uZoTs

A leftist perpestive https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-y0MtreTb4

[oldrider]

I'm sure if Killery won we'd be having a few more new wars though.

Absolutely and Iran would have been sorted? (or still going) by now -the fulfilment of that prophesy might be what's pressuring Trump currently? - Our way or the highway?