The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

**oldrider** · 5th January 2020, 11:11

Anti-war speech by a soldier. Must(?) watch. https://twitter.com/w0rldleadir/stat...rymakow.com%2F -

Left/right politics won't supply the answer he wants -

Got to get rid of double sided coin voting "Heads they win Tails we lose" that's why nothing ever changes. -

**austingtir** · 5th January 2020, 13:14

Apparently from a minor missile attack today....

https://phanes.feralhosting.com/zeus...TZ8AQhv95JpDDa

**austingtir** · 5th January 2020, 13:25

**oldrider** · 5th January 2020, 13:30

American preparation for Israel since 1948 - https://twitter.com/evsnova74/status...986240/photo/1 - Except that they are all supposed to end up looking like Gaza.

Is it working for them yet? -

For instance: - Try and identify who the aggressors are in these two pictures?:- https://twitter.com/LieBusterSleuth/...rymakow.com%2F -

**austingtir** · 5th January 2020, 19:29

**austingtir** · 5th January 2020, 19:45

Charlie Kirk
@charliekirk11
· 1h
Did you know:

Iran’s Foreign Minister threatened to expose Western diplomats who took bribes to create the Iran Nuclear Deal

RT if this is the one threat they should follow through on!

https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/st...395263493?s=20

And Iran claims they have a sleeper cell in the USA is the first reply....

**oldrider** · 5th January 2020, 20:58

Wes Clark - Americas policy "Coup": (best listen to the whole clip for who's who this time?) -

**austingtir** · 6th January 2020, 10:21

When are libs going to learn they cant stop the Trump train?!

Donald J Trump:

"These Media Posts will serve as notification to the United States Congress that should Iran strike any U.S. person or target, the United States will quickly & fully strike back, & perhaps in a disproportionate manner. Such legal notice is not required, but is given nevertheless!"

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...19480574812160

I find it fucking hilarious that its got to the point that Trump is giving notice to congress via twitter. Those dems brought this on themselves.

They think Trump is going to notify them when actual people in congress (and others) are proven to be actively working FOR the Iranians? The dems in congress had a pakistani spy ring running their IT less than a few years ago.

**nerrrd** · 6th January 2020, 10:55

Guess the coup's on the other foot now.

**oldrider** · 6th January 2020, 10:57

Americans caught between a (((Zionist))) rock and a (((Communist))) hard place. Who is representing their interests?

https://twitter.com/morphonios/statu...rymakow.com%2F

**TheDemonLord** · 6th January 2020, 11:22

There was an interesting take from Maajid Nawaz on his Twitter feed about it.

The TL;DR version is:

Drone strikes are bad.
The Iranian General was a Cunt.
Celebrities and people who know nothing about the Middle East should STFU.
A lot of people in the Middle East are probably very happy that there is one less person in charge of various murderous groups.

https://twitter.com/MaajidNawaz/stat...47919928872960

It's a very interesting read.

I'm not sure on where I stand on this.

On the one hand, Iran it could be said has been poking the bear, the bear has now had enough and clawed them.
I'm also not a particular fan of the Revolutionary Guard.
There's been commentary from a couple of Pundits I enjoy who outline the situation as Iran has been re-trying to be the regional power (with some even referencing the Persian Empire) and part of that has been to attack US/UK assets in a show of force and strength. They further suggest that Trump has effectively called their bluff: 'Oh, you think you can do small scale interventions and get away scott-free? Need we remind you that we can get to you at our leisure and conveiniance?" Now Iran has a choose - either they back down and eat some humble pie, or they up-the-ante and try and declare War on the US.

That said, another War in the Middle East is probably not what is needed. Or most specifically another war like the one that would occur. Either the US would have to go in and do a full Empire building exercise or it will end up like Iraq and Afghanistan. I don't think there is the Political or the Moral will to do that, and so such a conflict would end in a Military victory, but no route to go from a Military victory to a Political Victory.

**Katman** · 6th January 2020, 11:33

Originally Posted by TheDemonLord

Either the US would have to go in and do a full Empire building exercise or it will end up like Iraq and Afghanistan.

I don't think America has any intention of doing any 'empire building exercise'.

I suspect America's only intention is to destroy another country which stands in the way of Israel's empire building aspirations.

**pritch** · 6th January 2020, 11:40

Is Trump a war criminal? He pretty much already is. He's repeatedly suggested actions that, if completed, would seal it.

The killing of Soleimani is legally problematical. He was not like Al Baghdadi or Bin Laden, both of whom were basically stateless. Soleimani was a high ranking official of a country with whom the US was not at war.

Imagine the US screams of outrage if a Middle Eastern government with which the US was not at war killed VP Mike Pence. That's directly comparable.

If Trump implements his 52 point plan of attack on Iran he absolutely would be a war criminal. Several times over. It's no coincidence that the US has not signed the UN convention that would bring them under the International Court in The Hague. The US commits war crimes and they know it.

**TheDemonLord** · 6th January 2020, 11:56

Originally Posted by Katman

I don't think America has any intention of doing any 'empire building exercise'.

I suspect America's only intention is to destroy another country which stands in the way of Israel's empire building aspirations.

I agree with the first part, not the second.

America has never built an Empire, and if you look at WW2 (which is arguably the most pivotal moment in US Military History) both the Countries they defeated (Germany and Japan) have prospered and I would suspect that the reason for this is the underlying social framework was already there to remake the countries, whereas in the Middle East, there isn't the same social Framework.

But I should point out - this is merely conjecture.

I'm still not sure on the whole Iran General Killing thing.

**TheDemonLord** · 6th January 2020, 11:59

Originally Posted by pritch

Is Trump a war criminal? He pretty much already is. He's repeatedly suggested actions that, if completed, would seal it.

The killing of Soleimani is legally problematical. He was not like Al Baghdadi or Bin Laden, both of whom were basically stateless. Soleimani was a high ranking official of a country with whom the US was not at war.

Imagine the US screams of outrage if a Middle Eastern government with which the US was not at war killed VP Mike Pence. That's directly comparable.

If Trump implements his 58 point plan of attack on Iran he absolutely would be a war criminal. Several times over. It's no coincidence that the US has not signed the UN convention that would bring them under the International Court in The Hague. The US commits war crimes and they know it.

Come off the Grass.

If you want to play that card then so is Obama. Doesn't matter if Bin Laden was stateless, they still had to invade another country to get him.

Hell, I'd probably go so far as to say that almost all recent presidents have done things that were dubious enough that could be considered 'war crimes' if one was applying a particular set of interpretations.