The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

[austingtir]

If this was the plane that looks like its been shot at.




Ukraine's president is a Hebrew......

[Laava]

Correct.

I don't have an opinion on what you asked.

Of course you don't. You're only here for the trolling.

[husaberg]

There are people who believe he is incontinent and sometimes wears adult nappies. Thus the baggy suits and super long ties. There are photos that tend to confirm that theory.

Austy laps it all up, like he does with Trumps other dribble. A sucker who swallows cock and bull stories, Much like another of KB trolls.

[austingtir]

Austy laps it all up, like he does with Trumps other dribble. A sucker who swallows cock and bull stories, Much like another of KB trolls.

Trump supporters see it as well-played 3d chess.

TDSers don't believe anything Trump says anyway.

0 net loss.

[sugilite:Me]

That's the line of logic that Katman was advancing (which when you said you kinda agree with Katman on Israel, I took that to mean, y'know, that you agree with it...) that Israel/The US is the cause (or significant cause) of all/the majority of problems in the Middle East.

Hold it right there Mr Demonlord - Care to read exactly what I said? "I'm with Katman on the Israel thing. If their neighbors were not so unified in hatred against them, I have no doubt Isreal would of confiscated/annexed much more territory by now." I firmly stand by the methods I have stated you put to use on a fairly regular basis.
I'm quite clear where I say I agree with Katman. For the record, I have not seen Katman say there was no conflict before Israel either, just that there seems to be more now. To go on record, I say the Israel thing has certainly added a new dimension to the conflict. But to use the time scales you are, I say heavy duty hatred and ethnic cleansing was certainly not just confined to the middle east over that time period. Humans have generally been shitty towards each other all over - regardless of what invisable friend they subscribe to. I would "speculate" that us living in a predominantly Christian leaning country/societies, get the "baddy muslims" narrative in a highlighted fashion conveniently low lighting what christian countries have been up top over the same time period.

[sugilite:Me]

Brutal dictator most likely...... But he's deff crazy:

https://twitter.com/SSG_PAIN/status/1214557508825538563




When Trump starts acting like this sugilite and co and give me a call.

Trump is not and never will be a dictator. Dictators do not get run by other Dictators.

[sugilite:Me]

Yeah, I don't buy it. Not a single bit.

For starters, there is too much complicity from them - from her Mother giving up her Career, to Greta having access to 'contacts' that no ordinary girl had, to her parents sharing the same ideological positions.

Speculation at best, reading the article, one could also draw the conclusion they came about their ideology from learning from their daughter in regards to climate change and so on. I certainly have learned new things from my children. Just saying.

"Mum and Dad, I'm going to sail a millionaire Yacht to protest Climate change!"
"No. You are not. You are going to school"
"You can't tell me what to do!"
"Since we are your parents, A - We can and B - We can and C - When you are 18 you can do whatever you want, but whilst you live under this roof, paid for by our work, you live by our rules"
"But Muuuuuuuuuuum"
"But no Buts - Get thee Hence!"

Spoken by a parent who I'm picking has not had to try and implement their will on a stroppy teenage daughter, yet alone one with Asperger syndrome.
I have two daughters - full blood sisters. One is a scientist who has recently passed her masters with straight A's all the way, has private companies offering to put her through Doctorate. The other daughter bends steel using her bare hands for a living - yes really. I'm impossibly proud of the both of them and what they have achieved. Having said that, I would just love to have seen them effortlessly tear your above parenting style to shreds. Get back to me when you have got through your daughters teens, you may even have a chuckle at what your wrote back in 2020

So, no, I don't buy it that they were against it, since if they were, they could (and some might say should) have stopped it.

Hmmm, I do not recall reading anywhere in that article they were against it, just that they were initially uncomfortable about it - and understandably so.

[austingtir]

So we have a plane that was likely registered in Ukraine go down in Iran from a blatantly obvious missile strike (or some type of AA gun).....


Ukraine is likely to lead the investigation...... I still dont believe those phaggots from when they ran the mh17 investigation.

The MSM is just going to go along with whatever these CIA/mossad controlled asshats in Ukraine/Iran come out with.



WTF

63 "canadians" on board? I guess the canucks are giving out residencies like lolly scrambles these days....

Iran - 82
"Canada" - 63
Ukraine - 2 + 9 (crew)
Sweden - 10
Afghanistan - 4
Germany - 3
United Kingdom - 3

[sugilite:Me]

[TheDemonLord]

Hold it right there Mr Demonlord - Care to read exactly what I said? "I'm with Katman on the Israel thing. If their neighbors were not so unified in hatred against them, I have no doubt Isreal would of confiscated/annexed much more territory by now." I firmly stand by the methods I have stated you put to use on a fairly regular basis.
I'm quite clear where I say I agree with Katman. For the record, I have not seen Katman say there was no conflict before Israel either, just that there seems to be more now.

Correct, it's that last part that where he and I differ. Which of the two factors do you think is more likely to increase the scale of conflict:

1: Israel
2: Increase in population coupled with Modern transport and Armaments.

If you are choosing option 1, you have to ignore the history of Armed Conflict in the last ~150 years and downplay the pre-existing issues in the Middle East.

As for whether Israel would have done more or less - Maybe, although perhaps it would be harder to get international tacit acceptance if the surrounding countries haven't continually vowed to wipe Israel from the map.

To go on record, I say the Israel thing has certainly added a new dimension to the conflict. But to use the time scales you are, I say heavy duty hatred and ethnic cleansing was certainly not just confined to the middle east over that time period. Humans have generally been shitty towards each other all over - regardless of what invisable friend they subscribe to.

New Dimension? Sure. But not one that overrides the problems that existed prior to Israels creation. However I agree with you entirely that nomadic Tribal groups the world over regularly engaged in inter-tribal warfare and practices that today we would refer to as Genocide.

The problem is that from an English/European point of view most of that stopped after the Roman occupation, although you could argue that until Alfred the Great, inter-kingdom warfare in England was still a thing. That however was over 1,000 years ago. Whereas Saddam's campaign against the Kurds was within living memory. Iran, the Kuds, ISIS etc. all are acting in a manner that is consistent with what we would call 'Tribal Warfare', including the murdering of entire families who 'helped the enemy'

I would "speculate" that us living in a predominantly Christian leaning country/societies, get the "baddy muslims" narrative in a highlighted fashion conveniently low lighting what christian countries have been up top over the same time period.

Sure - Christians have been shitty, no disagreement from me. The Crusades, the Inquisition. However, for all the ills and umbridges I have with Christianity - it eventually ended the Slave Trade (something that the Middle East were and some argue still very much are in love with), created Human Rights - those aren't small things. I'll leave it to you as to whether you think that those (and other things) act as a counterweight to the various shitty things they have done. The one point remains though - these are not things that occur in Islam or Islamic countries unless they have adopted them from an outside source.

When was the last time that an inter-england conflict happened in a manner like what we are seeing? Maybe the War of the Roses (1400s) and maybe the Civil war (1600s) - that's about it.

Furthermore - if you think the umbridge is with Johnny Foreigner - look at how the Sikh community has integrated into Britain, same with the Hindus (and even they have same rather bloody histories) - if anything the current intelligentsia is highly critical of anything to do with England or Englishnes and yet despite this virulent hatred and attempt to portray any event in the most damning light - Little Ol' England comes out as the least smelly shit in the manure pile.

[TheDemonLord]

Correct.

I don't have an opinion on what you asked.

Perhaps then, you should look to your own moral principles and decide then. Because you seem to be trying to have a Buck either way. Intervention is bad, but the results of not intervening are also bad.

Pick one.

[Katman]

Perhaps then, you should look to your own moral principles and decide then.

Have you decided yet whether you support the handing over of prisoners in the knowledge that they are most likely going to be tortured?

[TheDemonLord]

Speculation at best, reading the article, one could also draw the conclusion they came about their ideology from learning from their daughter in regards to climate change and so on. I certainly have learned new things from my children. Just saying.

You could, however there is enough circumstantial evidence to say otherwise. How does a child go about acquiring significant media connections, awfully convenient when her parents run in the same circles and said circles has a definitive political bias in favour of said cause.

Spoken by a parent who I'm picking has not had to try and implement their will on a stroppy teenage daughter, yet alone one with Asperger syndrome.
I have two daughters - full blood sisters. One is a scientist who has recently passed her masters with straight A's all the way, has private companies offering to put her through Doctorate. The other daughter bends steel using her bare hands for a living - yes really. I'm impossibly proud of the both of them and what they have achieved. Having said that, I would just love to have seen them effortlessly tear your above parenting style to shreds. Get back to me when you have got through your daughters teens, you may even have a chuckle at what your wrote back in 2020

Whilst it is a point well made and well taken (and I am sure that when Puberty comes, I will laugh at this along with you) - And a genuine Congrats on your children's accomplishments - I'd like you to consider this.

I'm Stubborn, Argumentative, Dyspraxic, bad with social cues and determined. Further consider the force of a Woman that can put up with someone like that and consider the level of resilience, fortitude etc. that she must have.

How exactly do you think our Children have turned out? I'll give you a clue: Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V...

Hmmm, I do not recall reading anywhere in that article they were against it, just that they were initially uncomfortable about it - and understandably so.

Uncomfortable/against it - regardless of the word choice - my opinion is that their unwillingness to tell their Daughter 'STFU you know nothing since you've not even finished school, never had to work to support yourself and have never had to live in the real world' tells me just how uncomfortable they weren't.

[TheDemonLord]

Have you decided yet whether you support the handing over of prisoners in the knowledge that they are most likely going to be tortured?

I've told you exactly what I support.

You've dodged both questions.

[Katman]

I've told you exactly what I support.

If you could point me to the exact post where you did so, that would be great.

Thanks.