The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

**yokel** · 22nd July 2018, 18:17

"the first sitting American President to come from Kenya"
Nice one Barry Soetoro.
Check out @E1900R’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/E1900R/status/10...494014464?s=09

**husaberg** · 22nd July 2018, 18:38

**yokel** · 22nd July 2018, 18:40

You just went full retard.

**yokel** · 22nd July 2018, 18:44

Donald Trump will get his military parade/trials.

**husaberg** · 22nd July 2018, 19:19

Originally Posted by yokel

Donald Trump will get his military parade/trials.

Trump dodged the draft four times.... https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/02/u...ft-record.html

Mr Trump made his comments about Republican rival, Senator John McCain when he was campaigning for the party’s nomination for the Presidency in 2015.

During an interview in Iowa, the presenter said Mr McCain was a “war hero” to which Mr Trump replied: “He's not a hero... He was a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren’t captured, OK? I hate to tell you that.”

but later said
“As President, I am committed to providing our veterans, and especially our former PoWs, with the support, care, and resources they deserve. Our country owes a debt to our heroes that we can never adequately repay, but which we will always honour each day."

#Note Senator John McCain a former Navy pilot, spent five and a half years in a notorious Vietnamese prison known as the “Hanoi Hilton” where he was repeatedly tortured and spent years in solitary confinement.
Mr Trump, who avoided serving in Vietnam with four college deferrals and one for "having a foot problem"

**Voltaire** · 22nd July 2018, 20:55

Originally Posted by yokel

Donald Trump will get his military parade/trials.

Most likely the latter.

Next he'll be saying his Father was German....

**pritch** · 23rd July 2018, 08:40

Originally Posted by Voltaire

Next he'll be saying his Father was German....

Yeah. I heard that one.

His grandfather was a draft dodger too, it runs in the family. Such a "patriot" was grandad that the Germans kicked him out. The Yanks weren't that clever.

**oldrider** · 23rd July 2018, 09:09

As the saying goes - "only in America". - Interesting behaviour?

**Viking01** · 23rd July 2018, 11:06

Originally Posted by husaberg

Trump dodged the draft four times.... https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/02/u...ft-record.html

but later said
“As President, I am committed to providing our veterans, and especially our former PoWs, with the support, care, and resources they deserve. Our country owes a debt to our heroes that we can never adequately repay, but which we will always honour each day."

#Note Senator John McCain a former Navy pilot, spent five and a half years in a notorious Vietnamese prison known as the “Hanoi Hilton” where he was repeatedly tortured and spent years in solitary confinement.
Mr Trump, who avoided serving in Vietnam with four college deferrals and one for "having a foot problem"

1. US Draft Dodging

You're certainly under no obligation to like Trump, but perhaps it might be a more
balanced view if you also showed the service record of other recent presidents as
well (just as a comparison):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...litary_service

And a casual Google search for (say) famous US personalities who also avoided the
Vietnam draft reveals some well known names:

https://www.historyandheadlines.com/...did-not-serve/

It wasn't uncommon for people to seek to avoid the Vietnam draft by either (i) enrolling
in higher education or (ii) working in an "important occupation" regarding the war effort.

An option more readily available to the US elite, and less available to the poor white or
negro portions of the US population.

For many males of the US elite, training as an officer at military college was an option.

It may have "ticked the box" demonstrating you were "prepared to serve one's country",
but perhaps it also helped increase the odds of serving well back behind allied lines (and
less likely to be at the "live interface" when the bullets started flying).

Maybe Trump (like him or not) was not so atypical.

2. Saluting the US Military Dead

I suspect if you were to search for and collate speeches made by US Presidents honouring
tUS military dead (since say Truman, end of ww2), you would probably find a very common
statement.

Quite irrespective of whether that President had served in the military or not.

And given the increasing power and dominance of the US MIC over the last 50+ years, would
you expect a President to say otherwise ?

3. John McCain

I won't try and defend Trump as a politician, nor what he says. Especially when campaigning
against his political rivals for candidate selection (or during an election campaign).

If we were being even handed, we would go back and dig out all the various comments made
by his political rivals within the Republicans (e.g. Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz, Ben Carson and Marco
Rubio, just to name a few). Think I can recall a fair amount of "mud" being slung by all during
the lead-up to the 2016 US election.

But on the subject of John McCain (campaigning for selection on his "military record"), I think
you might find there has been some doubt expressed as to the truth of torture and solitary
confinement that John McCain actually endured while in NV captivity.

The last of the three links by Sydney Schanberg of Cambodian "Killing Fields" fame (?)
provides some interesting background on Mr McCain.

https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pr...for-president/

https://www.counterpunch.org/2008/06/13/mcnasty/

http://www.theamericanconservative.c...-pow-cover-up/

**jasonu** · 23rd July 2018, 11:58

Originally Posted by Viking01

1. US Draft Dodging

You're certainly under no obligation to like Trump, but perhaps it might be a more
balanced view if you also showed the service record of other recent presidents as
well (just as a comparison):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...litary_service

And a casual Google search for (say) famous US personalities who also avoided the
Vietnam draft reveals some well known names:

https://www.historyandheadlines.com/...did-not-serve/

It wasn't uncommon for people to seek to avoid the Vietnam draft by either (i) enrolling
in higher education or (ii) working in an "important occupation" regarding the war effort.

An option more readily available to the US elite, and less available to the poor white or
negro portions of the US population.

For many males of the US elite, training as an officer at military college was an option.

It may have "ticked the box" demonstrating you were "prepared to serve one's country",
but perhaps it also helped increase the odds of serving well back behind allied lines (and
less likely to be at the "live interface" when the bullets started flying).

Maybe Trump (like him or not) was not so atypical.

2. Saluting the US Military Dead

I suspect if you were to search for and collate speeches made by US Presidents honouring
tUS military dead (since say Truman, end of ww2), you would probably find a very common
statement.

Quite irrespective of whether that President had served in the military or not.

And given the increasing power and dominance of the US MIC over the last 50+ years, would
you expect a President to say otherwise ?

3. John McCain

I won't try and defend Trump as a politician, nor what he says. Especially when campaigning
against his political rivals for candidate selection (or during an election campaign).

If we were being even handed, we would go back and dig out all the various comments made
by his political rivals within the Republicans (e.g. Jeb Bush, Ted Cruz, Ben Carson and Marco
Rubio, just to name a few). Think I can recall a fair amount of "mud" being slung by all during
the lead-up to the 2016 US election.

But on the subject of John McCain (campaigning for selection on his "military record"), I think
you might find there has been some doubt expressed as to the truth of torture and solitary
confinement that John McCain actually endured while in NV captivity.

The last of the three links by Sydney Schanberg of Cambodian "Killing Fields" fame (?)
provides some interesting background on Mr McCain.

https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pr...for-president/

https://www.counterpunch.org/2008/06/13/mcnasty/

http://www.theamericanconservative.c...-pow-cover-up/

But but but that sort of silly talk might ruin a perfectly good bit of sensationalist 'reporting'.

**oldrider** · 24th July 2018, 09:31

MSM reaction to meeting Putin guide - scroll up for best bit. https://twitter.com/AntiMedia/status...51595165458432

"Traitor"???

**jasonu** · 24th July 2018, 12:14

Trumps fault as usual...
https://www.ktvz.com/news/politics/s...site/772202269

**Voltaire** · 24th July 2018, 14:02

For Lease.

**Voltaire** · 24th July 2018, 14:03

never, ever threaten kiwibiker with the truth again or you will suffer consequences the likes of which few throughout history have ever suffered before. We are no longer a site that will stand for your demented words of violence & death. Be cautious!

**jasonu** · 24th July 2018, 15:12

Originally Posted by Voltaire

For Lease.

Originally Posted by Voltaire

never, ever threaten kiwibiker with the truth again or you will suffer consequences the likes of which few throughout history have ever suffered before. We are no longer a site that will stand for your demented words of violence & death. Be cautious!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw9oX-kZ_9k