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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    I know what you are alluding to - but if I instead referred to 'unbounded Progressive Politics', then that same statement would hold true.
    Always a consideration "but" unbounded progressive politics contains too much of the element of "chance" - that's where people like Trump et al (their people?) come into the equation - Bought and paid for certainty?
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    Quote Originally Posted by oldrider View Post
    Always a consideration "but" unbounded progressive politics contains too much of the element of "chance" - that's where people like Trump et al (their people?) come into the equation - Bought and paid for certainty?
    I don't think it does contain an element of Chance.

    In fact, I think it's almost an inevitable conclusion of the Human Nature, when faced with a life absent of privation and predation. To quote the Matrix:

    "Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world where none suffered, where everyone would be happy? It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed that we lacked the programming language to describe your "perfect world". But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through misery and suffering. So the perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from."
    The end part I believe contains a Kernel of truth - as we get more and more comfy, so we start to focus on smaller and smaller 'issues' to 'overcome' - the same hardwiring that drives "Me and my Tribe are Hungry, we must therefore find something to eat" has nothing to attach itself to, there is no adversity to deal with.

    Some choose to overcome this by creating artificial adversity (Sports, Mental challenges, outdoors lifestyle) - you see this with high-power Execs who do things like Ultra-Marathon running or similar pursuits.

    Whereas others instead try to fix every little inequality in society, perceived or real - this leads to the rise of SJWs - when you have an infinite number of 'issues' that are intractable and in some cases the 'solution' for one makes another even worse - eventually you get to the point where the endless pursuit of perfection ends up destroying the Society until it can arise annew.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    I don't think it does contain an element of Chance.

    In fact, I think it's almost an inevitable conclusion of the Human Nature, when faced with a life absent of privation and predation. To quote the Matrix:



    The end part I believe contains a Kernel of truth - as we get more and more comfy, so we start to focus on smaller and smaller 'issues' to 'overcome' - the same hardwiring that drives "Me and my Tribe are Hungry, we must therefore find something to eat" has nothing to attach itself to, there is no adversity to deal with.

    Some choose to overcome this by creating artificial adversity (Sports, Mental challenges, outdoors lifestyle) - you see this with high-power Execs who do things like Ultra-Marathon running or similar pursuits.

    Whereas others instead try to fix every little inequality in society, perceived or real - this leads to the rise of SJWs - when you have an infinite number of 'issues' that are intractable and in some cases the 'solution' for one makes another even worse - eventually you get to the point where the endless pursuit of perfection ends up destroying the Society until it can arise annew.
    I do not dispute your analyses and conclusion but go a step further (many steps in fact) and place yourself in the position of those who reached this conclusion long long ago and then move on to the next step?

    They are playing advanced chess while the rest of the world (us) are still grappling with understanding how to set up a draft board! - Keep thinking it doesn't cost anything and it has feel-good benefits.
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    Groundhog day in Democratic politics = everyday?

    Turn on the sound and be enlightened? https://twitter.com/w_terrence/statu...rymakow.com%2F -
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    Before Feminism they did not tax women? - Now they do?

    Feminism Created To Destroy Family & Set Up New World Order - The "late" Aaron Russo! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqIs...yJrPx0-n8vUoVU - Interesting for those that are (really) interested?



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    Trump has given a speech on the Corona virus and US plans to deal with it. Although use of the word 'plan' in this context is a misnomer.

    Trump has put Mike Pence, an anti-science religious nut with a record of presiding over an unnecessary AIDS epidemic and writing articles denying a link between tobacco and cancer, in overall charge of the US response. If thoughts and prayers are what's needed that'll be good, 'cause that's what they'll get.

    From the Washington Post:
    "He (Trump) also said the United States is “rapidly developing a vaccine,” but did not provide any more details. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, contradicted the president, saying a vaccine won’t be ready for more than a year."

    Poor Tony. Somebody should have told him, contradict Trump and you're out on your arse.
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    Didn't they already anounce the viccne had already been created about 3 weeks after the China outbreak?

    Oh and "The Russians are comming!!!"
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    No Vaccine yet,l Aussies have something to test. Here is hoping.
    Russians are already interfering. Quite naive to think they don't. if one were actually seriously believing that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    Russians are already interfering. Quite naive to think they don't. if one were actually seriously believing that.
    Are there Russian Sock-Puppet accounts?
    Sure.
    Are there Russian bots spreading misinformation?
    Sure.
    Are some of the above linked directly or indirectly encouraged by the Kremlin/Russian State.
    Probably.
    Are either of those going to have any significant impact on the election?
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    And that is the Acid test. If you think a few spicy tweets and or posts on Facebook are really what is getting Trump re-elected, then you're in for a bad time*.

    The biggest factor that will get Trump re-elected outside of all the things that Trump is doing, is the lack of serious opposition in the DNC.

    This is not to say that I don't think that 'Muh Russia' claim is entirely without Merit - it's more a case that in the list of things that will influence the election, the Russian meddling is not in the top 3 or even top 10 - it's so far down the list that it should be considered as inconsequential.


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    Whew, that took 172 words utilizing 1095 characters to agree with me - Yes the Russians are interfering

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    Are there Russian Sock-Puppet accounts?
    Sure.
    Are there Russian bots spreading misinformation?
    Sure.
    Are some of the above linked directly or indirectly encouraged by the Kremlin/Russian State.
    Probably.
    Are either of those going to have any significant impact on the election?
    Looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo l


    And that is the Acid test. If you think a few spicy tweets and or posts on Facebook are really what is getting Trump re-elected, then you're in for a bad time*.

    The biggest factor that will get Trump re-elected outside of all the things that Trump is doing, is the lack of serious opposition in the DNC.

    This is not to say that I don't think that 'Muh Russia' claim is entirely without Merit - it's more a case that in the list of things that will influence the election, the Russian meddling is not in the top 3 or even top 10 - it's so far down the list that it should be considered as inconsequential.


    *That's the Royal You, not the You, Sugilite, you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pritch View Post
    Trump has given a speech on the Corona virus and US plans to deal with it. Although use of the word 'plan' in this context is a misnomer.

    Trump has put Mike Pence, an anti-science religious nut with a record of presiding over an unnecessary AIDS epidemic and writing articles denying a link between tobacco and cancer, in overall charge of the US response. If thoughts and prayers are what's needed that'll be good, 'cause that's what they'll get.

    From the Washington Post:
    "He (Trump) also said the United States is “rapidly developing a vaccine,” but did not provide any more details. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, contradicted the president, saying a vaccine won’t be ready for more than a year."

    Poor Tony. Somebody should have told him, contradict Trump and you're out on your arse.
    https://ktvz.com/news/national-world...irus-response/

    Looks to me he is doing mostly all the right things. What else do you think he should be doing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    Whew, that took 172 words utilizing 1095 characters to agree with me - Yes the Russians are interfering
    I'm agreeing with you in the same way I'd agree with a physicist says that when I hit a fly on my Bike, me and the bike slow down.

    Yes it may be true, but in reality it doesn't make a jot of difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemonLord View Post
    I'm agreeing with you in the same way I'd agree with a physicist says that when I hit a fly on my Bike, me and the bike slow down.

    Yes it may be true, but in reality it doesn't make a jot of difference.
    Because why? You are privy to every plan the Russians are executing and you have a direct hotline with Putin so he can fill you in on every detail? Give me a break, you don't know shit what they may or may not be up to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    Because why? You are privy to every plan the Russians are executing and you have a direct hotline with Putin so he can fill you in on every detail? Give me a break, you don't know shit what they may or may not be up to.
    Well, Putin did say that your browsing history made for interesting reading...

    However - The problem is you have to put it against what we do know:

    1: Trump has a populist base - 'Make America Great Again', he's been holding what are effectively campaign rallies since getting elected and he is getting massive turn-out at these events.

    2: The Democrats are a house divided between 3 factions: The Middle-class Communists (AKA Bernie Bros), The traditional Blue-collar voting base and the Entrepreneurial types. One look at what has happened in the UK should give a clear example of what will happen if they put up Bernie against Trump and Bernie continues to trot out his impossible Socialist policies.

    3: The Economy - When even the Left-wing outlets are begrudgingly acknowledging that Unemployment is at record lows, the Economy is doing well.

    4: The culture war rebellion against radical left-wing identity Politics

    etc.

    etc.

    To make me take the 'Muh Russia' seriously - the threshold would be show that bots on Twitter and Facebook have more influence on public opinion than the above. Then one also would have to factor that in such a way as to why the relentless assault on the God Emperor by the Media, the DNC, The Universities, Antifa etc. did not work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sugilite View Post
    Because why? You are privy to every plan the Russians are executing and you have a direct hotline with Putin so he can fill you in on every detail? Give me a break, you don't know shit what they may or may not be up to.
    You are thinking of pritch.
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