Are you a 'Kiwi' or a New Zealander?

[TheDemonLord]

And if they do intend offence then/so what? Handbags out? For what purpose? How does being offended by something enhance any ones life?

Depends on the offense - there are some things I would be willing to fight over what was said/done, others I would not bat an eyelid at.

[Woodman]

And if they do intend offence then/so what? Handbags out? For what purpose? How does being offended by something enhance any ones life?

Exactly, Personally I don't think I have ever been offended by something someone has said to me, intentionally or not.

[Oakie]

When I was at school Maori was compulsory up to 4th form. No one ever mentioned Te Reo until the late 80's. We were taught the version of Maori spoken by the teacher with a lot of emphasis placed on those words that were post European influence. Counting, spelling, prayer etc.
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The only timed I ever laughed out loud in a library was a few years ago at the New Brighton library. The had labelled a few things in Te Reo to be nice and PC (Reception, Toilet etc) with the one that got me was the sign for 'Photocopier' which also had it's Te Teo counterpart under. Just got a mental image of Wiremu back in the day photocopying on the Marae while the wahine made baskets etc.

[Tazz]

The only timed I ever laughed out loud in a library was a few years ago at the New Brighton library. The had labelled a few things in Te Reo to be nice and PC (Reception, Toilet etc) with the one that got me was the sign for 'Photocopier' which also had it's Te Teo counterpart under. Just got a mental image of Wiremu back in the day photocopying on the Marae while the wahine made baskets etc.

They were invented (along with the Engrish name for them) in the 60's so the Wahine was probably doing what everyone else worth their salt back then was doing and seeing if they would make usable copies of LSD tabs

[granstar]

It's Pakeha, it's a Maori word & although the pretend it isint, it's a very derogatory term.
As a descendant of Dutch & Danish immigrants born in NZ, I do not accept a Maori word to describe my ethnicity.

My wife's Opa emigrated in the 60's so with you there "Tulip muncher". Before anyone (pun ) scoffs! at that, when you hear the true stories from this era who as kids growing up in the Netherlands running from Germans who impoverished the food supply from their peaceful neighbours to keep war troops on the go, they were starving and ate anything to keep alive. So validity albeit cheeky behind that handle. Even today he walks into supermarkets and is in awe at the shelves of food.
Us Kiwi's, er New Zealanders we ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYvMeT2GC14

[Ocean1]

Might be just an urban myth.

At the risk of being a cut and paste know nothing Rant and Raver...

Of course, none of that matters if people FEEL insulted to be called pakeha.

Sorta like African Americans FEEL insulted by the N word meaning "black"?

[Voltaire]

Sorta like African Americans FEEL insulted by the N word meaning "black"?

That's more to do with how America leapt forward from the early 1700's rural economy to the Civil War in the 1960's from the sweat of African Slaves, and has treated them poorly

in the intervening 100 odd years that the actual word itself.

[Ocean1]

We were taught the version of Maori spoken by the teacher with a lot of emphasis placed on those words that were post European influence. Counting, spelling, prayer etc.

When I were a nipper, in the deep south, I had a Maori friend called Charlie. He lived up the road a bit, in an old rundown farmhouse.

I was 4 or 5, and Charlie was about 80, and believe it or not he spoke less English than I did. Never stopped us talking from the time I escaped the house until Charlie walked me home for dinner.

Much later, long after Charlie stopped being able to walk me home, and well after he stopped answering his doorbell I learned that what Charlie and I spoke was mostly Maori. Or so the old dear in the shop half way between where Charlie and I lived told my mother. When my mother asked her to speak to me, so that she could hear me speak it the old dear said that she couldn't. Or wouldn't. She thought that what Charlie spoke was quite different to what she used with her family, from quite some way away. My mother told me she seemed also to believe that there was something almost disrespectful in her even attempting to speak to me as Charlie had.

I remember Charlie vividly to this day, can even hear and understand him. And yet I can't speak more than a couple of dozen words of "Maori".

[Ocean1]

That's more to do with how America leapt forward from the early 1700's rural economy to the Civil War in the 1960's from the sweat of African Slaves, and has treated them poorly

in the intervening 100 odd years that the actual word itself.

Then why are they also offended when non-Americans, (who've never treated them anything let alone poorly) call them black?

[Voltaire]

Then why are they also offended when non-Americans, (who've never treated them anything let alone poorly) call them black?

Offended is an over used word, what does it actually mean?

I could say I'm offended every time I see or hear Kanye West, but what I really mean is his noise hurts my ears.

I think the last time I was offended was when my MIL called me a common tradesman.

[Oakie]

I think the last time I was offended was when my MIL called me a common tradesman.

How rude!

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[Ocean1]

Offended is an over used word, what does it actually mean?

I could say I'm offended every time I see or hear Kanye West, but what I really mean is his noise hurts my ears.

I think the last time I was offended was when my MIL called me a common tradesman.

I suspect it's similar to what I feel when I see people being offended by everyday words used across several languages and hundreds of countries and bearing not the slightest trace of insult or denigration in any of them.

But I've always known that what I get offended by is just weird shit.

And I think perhaps re Kanye West you're getting confused between offense and outrage.


Also, was the MIL offended enough by the source of your income to decline the use of it at any stage?

[Drew]

What a fucken let down this is.

Mibbee you should be labeled 'whinging fucken bitch from New Zealand'. Seems the most fitting.

[ellipsis]

...there are, amongst the irreverant tags put on races that, incidentally, like us were a conglomerate of interlopers, slaves or lost souls occupying some one else's turf at some point in history and staying...Wops, Gooks, Coons, Ockers, Poms, Boongas, Pakis, Curry Munchers, Slant Eyes, Chinks, Yanks, Redskins, Sandniggers, Paddys, Jocks, Norfies, continue your own list if you wish...I'm 1st gen on my paternal side, 1856 on the maternal, am mainly of a bastard mix of Irish, Welsh, Scots, some transported through Tasmania...I am lucky to be here...you obviously need to get out more...

[Big Dog]

The only timed I ever laughed out loud in a library was a few years ago at the New Brighton library. The had labelled a few things in Te Reo to be nice and PC (Reception, Toilet etc) with the one that got me was the sign for 'Photocopier' which also had it's Te Teo counterpart under. Just got a mental image of Wiremu back in the day photocopying on the Marae while the wahine made baskets etc.

Not impossible given Te Reo is only 30-40 years old.

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