Are you a 'Kiwi' or a New Zealander?

[Akzle]

Zeeland - province in the Netherlands where Abel Tasman came from)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeeland

zealand, a danish island where danish people come from.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealand

(whats your point)

[oldrider]

Our history is fact - good or bad it's our history - it's who and what we are - I like it and will defend it - those who don't like can fuck off! -

Historically I identify as a New Zealander - if Maori want to refer to me as Pakeha s'OK with me as I use that term to describe myself when appropriate!

[Banditbandit]

zealand, a danish island where danish people come from.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zealand

(whats your point)

Sonmeone asked where the name comes from .. it has no link to the Danish Island - but certainly to the Netherlands, thro' Abel Tasman ..

This one ...

I heard from some time ago that the explorer, Tasman, referred to it in his travels as 'the new land from from the sea' or 'New Sea land'

Tell me I'm wrong ..... I probably am ...

Need some clarification here

And it wasn't Tasman that named it ..

Abel Tasman called the land he had discovered Staten Landt, believing it might be linked to a Staten Landt close to Cape Horn, discovered in 1616 by another Dutch navigator, Jacob Le Maire. In 1643, Hendrik Brouwer showed that Le Maire’s Staten Landt was a small island, and not the eastern edge of an undiscovered continent. Subsequently, Joan Blaeu, official Dutch cartographer to the Dutch East India Company, conferred the name Nieuw Zeeland (Nova Zeelandia in Latin) on the land Tasman had discovered. Zeeland was one of two maritime provinces in the Netherlands; Australia was already known to the Dutch as New Holland. ‘Nieuw Zeeland’ stuck.

http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/european...zealand/page-3

[granstar]

That would have made it Nieuw zee land, plausible I guess.
The Dutch location is called Zeeland, not Zealand, so I spelt it wrong earlier, not sure how we arrived at the zea version of the spelling.

I knew that ( my wife is Dutch descent and we have visited there) I was being pha...pheh...phuceec...faceesiou...facetious

And so there is another how of why things changed (Zeeland to Zealand). A lot of immigrants were illiterate, couldn't read or write, signed their name with an X, like me can't spell for shit ( but my excuse is valid, went to Gore High).

Things were written down by those that could (usually officials) and often it was as they were sounded. My great grandfather as a young immigrant had a court attendance when a voting election his name was mispelt and they later tried to convict him of double voting, turned out he was innocent and incidences were found of votes being rigged came out of the case when it was investigated He never trusted any officials for the rest of his long life after that.

Another reason was entering a new country people were leaving the old behind and a name change ( especially convicts- Aussie), or like my family arriving from Northern Ireland into protestant societies in this new land a name or alteration occured to sound a bit more Scottish. Our name changed from ending in vey to vie. We discovered this after a lot of research recently trying to piece together where out family hailed from (if it helps anyone there) and got records back to 1740 despite many lost due to a large fire where they were kept in Ireland.

Must say in hindsight "New Zealander ingenuity" isn't as cool sounding as "Kiwi ingenuity".

[400sm]

Too often I'm watching, hearing or reading from the media that a 'Kiwi' has been involved in some sort of issue meaning a person from New Zealand. The adjective version ' He did it the Kiwi way !' implies to me that he must be blind and stupid.

Seems very prevalent and more so these days, 'Be proud you're a Kiwi !'

I was born here and resent being called a 'Kiwi' . Seems no other country in the refers to it's people after an animal, excepting on the sports arena of course. Wallaby's, Puma's etc. That's cool, no worries.

The Kiwi is possibly the most stupid avian species in the world, good for nothing excepting it's still survived. Cant see, can't fly and only good for grub hunting on the forest floor in the middle of the night. Useless.

Don't call me a Kiwi.

I'm a New Zealander.

I think you have a valid point.
A Kiwi is a New Zealander.
I am a New Zealander, but not a "Kiwi".

To me, a "Kiwi" is a NZer who worships rugby, racing and beer.
I don't.

[Swoop]

I think the last time I was offended was when my MIL called me a common tradesman.

Hopefully she laughs when you present her a bill for "whatever" practical work requires doing around her house...
Use the *special* rate applied to white collar workers or snobs... (refer to the plumber's charge-out method for this)

Chicken, egg?

These are the big questions.

Egg.

@nodrog, O snap

Since when did this thread turn into an AutoCAD session?




As for Kiwi Vs New Zealander, just see what happens when you write the wrong one into your passport application...

[granstar]

So we keep the New Zealand flag that does not represent New Zealanders , what about a money change

[Madness]

...what about a money change?

Seems appropriate considering the standard price for a tinny has remained at $20 for several decades now.

[Akzle]

So we keep the New Zealand flag that does not represent New Zealanders

havent worked out democracy yet huh?

[mashman]

what about a money change

Bowie-emblazoned Brixton pound gets world-first cash machine... you could get the NZ franchise... however it'll be worthless in a few years

[puddytat]

When does a Kiwi or a Nz'er become Tangata whenua.....?
Is it a generational thing or whoever got here first.
I'm 5th generation & I feel I should also be able to say I'm Tangata whenua...I certainly feel like it....

[Akzle]

When does a Kiwi or a Nz'er become Tangata whenua.....?
Is it a generational thing or whoever got here first.
I'm 5th generation & I feel I should also be able to say I'm Tangata whenua...I certainly feel like it....

are you of the land?

[puddytat]

I am of this land, I am of this water, I am of this air....I am made of 100% Aotearoa. Its mauri flows in my veins.

[granstar]

A snippet for thought https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aYW4ac0oYc

[Akzle]

I am of this land, I am of this water, I am of this air....I am made of 100% Aotearoa. Its mauri flows in my veins.

then id say you qualify. By definition.