Death by Cheesecutter, again?

**Berries** · 12th April 2016, 23:45

I have seen a shit load of crashes that involved wire rope barriers being hit but I have never seen one that magically lifted all the wires out and left the posts standing up straight like in the linked article.

I blame the Jews.

**oldrider** · 13th April 2016, 07:03

If all the reports are correct that guy was dead long before he and his bike hit the truck then took out the cheese-cutter fence!

**nzspokes** · 13th April 2016, 07:54

Originally Posted by Berries

I have seen a shit load of crashes that involved wire rope barriers being hit but I have never seen one that magically lifted all the wires out and left the posts standing up straight like in the linked article.

I blame the Jews.

Council removed the wires to help the cops and allow traffic to move. HTH

**Berries** · 13th April 2016, 21:05

Originally Posted by nzspokes

Council removed the wires to help the cops and allow traffic to move. HTH

Yeah, that was pretty clear from the photo and the video. I was being slightly sarcastic in response to the OP jumping on the hysterical bandwagon without actually thinking.

**Motu** · 14th April 2016, 17:47

Saw the dashcam footage today, looks like he got there a couple of minutes after it happened. You could see someone giving CPR to the rider, and the bike in the wire fence. About 2km down the road was the logging truck, the right rear bumper/tail lamp bracket of the trailer was bent and the mudflap missing. Looks like what we all fear, a lane change into the bike. Dunno what the speed differencial was. There is a merge into the right lane where the Expressway roadworks are, I guess the truckdriver was thinking ahead for the lane change....or maybe passing a slower truck. The dashcam driver didn't see emergency vehicles until the 70kph limit in Huntly.

**trufflebutter** · 14th April 2016, 17:53

A lot of second guessing in this thread, is that normal for the select few that choose to apply their worldly knowledge on matters of this nature?

**Akzle** · 14th April 2016, 18:30

Originally Posted by pzkpfw

My life insurance does pay out for suicide.

As long as it occurred after a year.

a year and a day. Statute of limitations in the crimes act.

**Crasherfromwayback** · 14th April 2016, 19:29

Originally Posted by trufflebutter

A lot of second guessing in this thread, is that normal for the select few that choose to apply their worldly knowledge on matters of this nature?

Fuck yeah! This is Kiwibiker.

**Madness** · 14th April 2016, 20:10

Originally Posted by pzkpfw

My life insurance does pay out for suicide.

As long as it occurred after a year.

I heard that youi charge different premiums according to your preferred method.

**RGVforme** · 14th April 2016, 22:22

They have just installed some of these on Napier's Marine Parade after a truckie fell asleep and slammed into one of the trees a while ago which sit some distance apart...This 100kmh section of road has a mean camber change to one side half way along it that along with the sea view target fixation and wind on some days sees most drifting off to one side or into head on traffic.The results should be interesting....At least before an off biker had a chance of missing the trees.

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**nadroj** · 16th May 2016, 15:30

http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-dail...sh-in-Taranaki

**Maha** · 16th May 2016, 16:26

Unable to comment as investigations into the cause of the crash are continuing.

**Erelyes** · 16th May 2016, 16:49

I saw fit to contact the Powers That Be (the minister of transport) about this and received the following reply.

'The perceived risks posed to motorcyclists by wire rope barriers have been considered carefully by the NZTA. The University of New South Wales, with funding assistance from the NZTA and the ACC, undertook an in-depth analysis of motorcycle impacts into roadside barriers in both NZ and Australia. The available data shows that barriers of any kind were a factor in only a very small percentage of motorcycle fatalities.

NZ motorcycle crash data from Jan 2001 to July 2013 shows that of the 20 motorcycle fatalities that followed hitting a barrier, 13 involved 'W-beam guardrails' and three involved wire rope safety barriers. In the same period there were 97 fatalities from collisions with posts or poles, 70 from hitting traffic signs, and 93 from crashing into unprotected trees.

Of the barrier collisions recorded, the results show that wire rope safety barriers have around half the fatality rate of W-beam barrier installations, and that concrete barrier installations are the most dangerous of all to motorcyclists.

Further information is availaable on the NZTA website - http://www.nzta.govt.nz/roads-and-ra...afety-barriers'

Hard to argue with that. Given that barriers are a small factor in collisions, and wire rope barriers are an even smaller subset of those, I think I'll stop focussing on them and worry about other stuff on my rides.

**Ocean1** · 16th May 2016, 17:32

Originally Posted by Erelyes

I saw fit to contact the Powers That Be (the minister of transport) about this and received the following reply.

'The perceived risks posed to motorcyclists by wire rope barriers have been considered carefully by the NZTA. The University of New South Wales, with funding assistance from the NZTA and the ACC, undertook an in-depth analysis of motorcycle impacts into roadside barriers in both NZ and Australia. The available data shows that barriers of any kind were a factor in only a very small percentage of motorcycle fatalities.

NZ motorcycle crash data from Jan 2001 to July 2013 shows that of the 20 motorcycle fatalities that followed hitting a barrier, 13 involved 'W-beam guardrails' and three involved wire rope safety barriers. In the same period there were 97 fatalities from collisions with posts or poles, 70 from hitting traffic signs, and 93 from crashing into unprotected trees.

Of the barrier collisions recorded, the results show that wire rope safety barriers have around half the fatality rate of W-beam barrier installations, and that concrete barrier installations are the most dangerous of all to motorcyclists.

Further information is availaable on the NZTA website - http://www.nzta.govt.nz/roads-and-ra...afety-barriers'

Hard to argue with that. Given that barriers are a small factor in collisions, and wire rope barriers are an even smaller subset of those, I think I'll stop focussing on them and worry about other stuff on my rides.

It reeks of spin.

Roadside barriers?

What percentage of barriers are WRB / Concrete / Armco? In other words what's the fatality per kilometer traveled beside each?

Why are they quoting an Australasian study but filtering out Aussie data?

Why does the WRB data from Europe indicate a poor enough safety performance that they're removing it wholesale?

And, yet again: if roadside obstructions are responsible for 260 motorcycle deaths in 12 years then why the fuck are they continuing to install more of it?

Meh. If you want straight answers don't ask a fucking politician.