Death by Cheesecutter, again?

**eldog** · 21st May 2016, 12:45

Originally Posted by Ocean1

Don't make me quote my last half dozen "posts".

The minute I heard the term "cheese cutter" I knew any chance we had of mitigating or limiting their use was well fucked. It's a fucking stupid term, just asking to be shot down by the army of conformists safety Nazis that don't actually bother to read or listen any further than that label.

Wot he said

**eldog** · 21st May 2016, 12:46

Originally Posted by James Deuce

I argued many years ago that the posts were the issue and the threat is exacerbated by their frequency when compared to single row Armco. I was shot in the face for going against the flow. Their main application is supposed to be in tandem with a central reservation. The WRB are designed to absorb energy by stretching. When used with central reservations, even large trucks can be arrested before they make it to the opposing lanes. My opposition is based on their largely incorrect installation in NZ and lack of desire to clad the posts, something being done around the world, not the potential for the wires to do anything to a motorcyclist.

+1 and any other safety barrier of a similar type

**yokel** · 21st May 2016, 13:43

But isn't the whole idea of riding a motorcycle all about trying to kill ones self??

I see new WRB going up around here, it's kinda disconcerting having them on both sides of the lane you're in I guess.

The wire rope is not main the issue as you're usually going the same direction, it's all the steel posts (100x40x3.2mm) that you're going to hit at 90 degrees no matter how you approach them that'll fuck you over.
Just like anything else on the road side.

Only ride stupidly were it's a but safer to do so.

**Swoop** · 23rd May 2016, 13:39

One, primary, consideration is that these barriers are not installed as the designers intended.

Minimum distances away from the flow of traffic are not adhered to. Some of our "advanced goat-track roads" do not permit the required distance and should have a solid concrete barrier (preferred option) or an armco barrier (option #2) in preference.

**James Deuce** · 23rd May 2016, 15:29

Originally Posted by yokel

But isn't the whole idea of riding a motorcycle all about trying to kill ones self??

Oh hell yes, but despite my best efforts, it's just another thing I can add to the list of things that make me a loser.

#547 - Can't kill self on motorcycle.

**Akzle** · 23rd May 2016, 17:55

Originally Posted by Swoop

One, primary, consideration is that these barriers are not installed as the designers intended.

Minimum distances away from the flow of traffic are not adhered to. Some of our "advanced goat-track roads" do not permit the required distance and should have a solid concrete barrier (preferred option) or an armco barrier (option #2) in preference.

why fuck around? 50ft runoff and a tyre stack...

**Banditbandit** · 24th May 2016, 15:37

Originally Posted by yokel

But isn't the whole idea of riding a motorcycle all about trying to kill ones self??

AWESOME. I wish you every success with that - and I hope you achieve your goal this week !!! (tho' next week is also good ... )

**caspernz** · 24th May 2016, 16:37

Originally Posted by Swoop

One, primary, consideration is that these barriers are not installed as the designers intended.

Minimum distances away from the flow of traffic are not adhered to. Some of our "advanced goat-track roads" do not permit the required distance and should have a solid concrete barrier (preferred option) or an armco barrier (option #2) in preference.

No argument about the install distances being less than optimal. On the other hand, when car drivers are so busy updating their Facebook status or texting that they lose control at 100 clicks on an easy stretch of road...makes naff all difference if the WRB is 0.5 or 2.5 m away from the lane edge.

The WRBs around the works sites for the Waikato Expressway around Rangiriri and Te Kauwhata get hit with monotonous regularity. This in 50 and 70 zones. Mind you, seems lots of folks only do this speed when I'm trucking along in front of them at these limits.

In my humble opinion the only time WRBs make me nervous is when I'm being tailgated thru areas with no opportunity to overtake, and my rear facing gattling is empty...