Meth War inevitable? What d'ya reckon?

**mashman** · 21st April 2016, 21:49

Originally Posted by Ocean1

So, now, it was society that made the choice to sell or use drugs?

Because that's what defines where the fault lies, innit? It's down to who made that choice? Anything else is just bullshit, a juvenile attempt to avoid the consequences of poor decisions.

Again: it'll be society's fault when it was society that made the choice, and like I said, that's not somewhere any adult wants to be, is it?

The paradox of the free market... as in a free market there'd be no cops and therefore no enforcement. Just lots and lots of fucked up people with nowhere to turn to for help. Man do I wanna live there right now

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**Madness** · 21st April 2016, 21:55

Originally Posted by Paul in NZ

Is it? No one answered my question earlier?

Frankly I know more about building a space rocket than I do about meth, other than the shock horror stuff in the papers. The conventional wisdom seems to be that you only need to look at a piece of meth and you are hooked for life. Given the amount of the stuff being produced and (apparently) consumed – surely that can’t be right???

I smoked P once about 12 years ago. Rode my ZZR1100 Auckland to Wellington on the stuff. Fuck it was great. Really, really great. I vowed to not use it again and I never have. I like my sleep too much and a lack of sleep is the root of the evil in the substance, in my unqualified opinion.

**Katman** · 21st April 2016, 22:24

I've never used it but know a lot of people who have.

Some not so good stories - some not so bad.

The media have made a circus of it on the government's behalf.

**mashman** · 21st April 2016, 22:32

Originally Posted by jonbuoy

mental health

Careful with them labels man, you'll void life policy's

**Crasherfromwayback** · 21st April 2016, 23:40

Originally Posted by Madness

I like my sleep too much and a lack of sleep is the root of the evil in the substance, in my unqualified opinion.

And there you have it. Sleep deprivation is used as a torture. Humans are not designed to go days/weeks on end without sleep. Be it stress, or drugs the cause...do so, and you'll come unstuck.

But like anything...drugs, alcohol (a drug of course), lack of sleep, all ok in moderation. Some people handle these things way batter than others. Some people are better off without mood enhancers.

Some get caught up by the law, and get branded drug addicts and a waste of space, when in actual fact, they're law abiding valuable members of society, that simply like to get a bit out of shape every now and then.

**Ocean1** · 22nd April 2016, 08:26

Originally Posted by mashman

The paradox of the free market... as in a free market there'd be no cops and therefore no enforcement. Just lots and lots of fucked up people with nowhere to turn to for help. Man do I wanna live there right now

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It stopped being a free market as soon as the product was addictive. Didn't it?

You're talking shit, there's lots of help for addicts. It's just not help that allows them to remain addicts. Which is kinda reasonable, doncha think?

And yes, you've made it quite clear that you want Big Govt to make all your choices for you. Just as long as you can be that Govt.

**Banditbandit** · 22nd April 2016, 10:10

Originally Posted by Ocean1

So, now, it was society that made the choice to sell or use drugs?

Because that's what defines where the fault lies, innit? It's down to who made that choice? Anything else is just bullshit, a juvenile attempt to avoid the consequences of poor decisions.

Again: it'll be society's fault when it was society that made the choice, and like I said, that's not somewhere any adult wants to be, is it?

If there's a "social condition" that creates users it's affluence and spare time.

Affluence and spare time created largely by social welfare.

Which sorta hints at the sort of change required of society to fix the problem, dunnit?

Originally Posted by Banditbandit

If you think drug use is a 'bad behavior problem" then there is no point in continuing this conversation ..

+the obligatory 10 characters

**Smifffy** · 22nd April 2016, 10:53

Originally Posted by Crasherfromwayback

And there you have it. Sleep deprivation is used as a torture. Humans are not designed to go days/weeks on end without sleep. Be it stress, or drugs the cause...do so, and you'll come unstuck.

But like anything...drugs, alcohol (a drug of course), lack of sleep, all ok in moderation. Some people handle these things way batter than others. Some people are better off without mood enhancers.

Some get caught up by the law, and get branded drug addicts and a waste of space, when in actual fact, they're law abiding valuable members of society, that simply like to get a bit out of shape every now and then.

One of the great advantages is, if you're on P, it's only 12 sleeps till Christmas!

**nodrog:Me** · 22nd April 2016, 12:03

its a mint drug, helps to get 16 hours of work done, in 45mins.

its only the muppets that give it a bad name -

**mashman** · 22nd April 2016, 13:51

Originally Posted by Ocean1

It stopped being a free market as soon as the product was addictive. Didn't it?

You're talking shit, there's lots of help for addicts. It's just not help that allows them to remain addicts. Which is kinda reasonable, doncha think?

And yes, you've made it quite clear that you want Big Govt to make all your choices for you. Just as long as you can be that Govt.

No, it didn't.

About 12:39.

... when I'm the govt, govt won't be govt for long. So no, you're making shit up to make yourself feel better. Go hard bro.