BREXIT - some assistance required

[mashman]

I'm no fan of the EU, but that's a unique view which ignores the fact that the Greeks lied through their teeth to get into the EU.
As for telling anyone to fuck off, first of all they borrowed ridiculous amounts of Euro to prop up their corrupt system (yes, even more corrupt than the rest of the EU), and now they're bleating about repying the money.

All of the Greeks lied?

[mashman]

Easy answer. What was starting to happen and is now happening, full on, was really obvious and I wanted no part of it.

My fear now is that NZ is dumbing itself down for some of the same.

+1................

[YellowDog]

Nah, the EU wants as many excuses as possible to get money into circulation. Otherwise it isn't an influence in people's life any more and you can't threaten people with the likes of closing banks in order to get your pound of flesh.

They never got to find out for some reason. Closing down the banks in Greece would likely have led to a global banking crisis the likes of which we can't imagine. Interesting to consider how people will buy food with money they can't get from closed banks, or pay for electricity when they can't get money from their bank etc... Worse off perhaps?

Then vote for what you like, coz it will change nothing. Money rules. End of.

"Money rules. End of." It's a fact of life, however not of political ideology.

The study I read showed that if Greece had told the EU so scew itself, "thanks but no thanks and by the way, this is how we get you back for WWII" - Yes Europe would have struggled not to collapse, however Greece would had had around six months of real hardship. Some would not have made it, but the country would have been considerably stronger and certainly a lot more prosperous. Aparently springtime would have been the very best time of the year to start the hardship and many were already getting their allotments ready to start growing food for personal consumption.

Come on: someone give me a good reason to vote in favour of the UK staying in the EU?

[TheDemonLord]

Come on: someone give me a good reason to vote in favour of the UK staying in the EU?

Why? if you want to vote in favour of staying, but don't have a reason to do so, you are still free to vote.

[Akzle]

"Money rules. End of." It's a fact of life, however not of political ideology. >

not for a large percentage of the population. Some humans even.

[george formby]

I watched this t'other night.



Obviously a fair bit of spin going on.

The Guardian has just started a series of articles discussing the whole issue. Today's was about the 1.3 million Brits living in the EU but not the UK. What kind of entitlement will they have to health care, education, taxes, pensions etc if the country votes to leave? I shall be reading as much as poss, at the mo I'm to distant to form an opinion.

I loved my last few visits up over, touring Europe with open borders. Wow. But I can't think of any other benefits...........

[oldrider]

Easy answer. What was starting to happen and is now happening, full on, was really obvious and I wanted no part of it.

My fear now is that NZ is dumbing itself down for some of the same.

So did you come here to become a new Zealand citizen or just somewhere to go in order to escape the situation in Britain?

Will you be looking to leave New Zealand soon to avoid the perceived same situation developing here - where will you go to this time?

For what it is worth if I had your vote on EU I would vote Exit but that's just gut feeling I haven't thought deeply of it because I don't get a vote!

EU and NATO have lost their way and with the mass migration they have lost their individual identities and none of them will ever be powerful individual nations again.

Well - never strong enough (collectively or otherwise) to challenge any NWO (etc) that they are critical of or feel threatened by!

[YellowDog]

I would say that the single very best thing to come out of Europe was the cost and quality of food.

Like the UK used to be, Kiwis get screwed over the price of food by the food cartels. You can't go elsewhere, so screw you. Once in Europe, the UK supermarkets started selling other non-food stuffs, as they weren't allowed to overly profit on foods anymore. Plus the old UK foods that were very poor, like pies, sausages, pasties etc, were outlwaed and they had to be made with more meat etc; like the frogs & krauts do it. The media also took a lot of the bad stuff out of UKers diets.

I was so happy when I saw that Kiwis still eat pies. Lots of them too

So I guess I am swaying slightly. The price of food became so much cheaper, when the UK joind the EU. Maybe NZ should join? If AUS can join in the Eurovision Song Contest, why the hell can't NZ become a part of the EU?

[mashman]

"Money rules. End of." It's a fact of life, however not of political ideology.

The study I read showed that if Greece had told the EU so scew itself, "thanks but no thanks and by the way, this is how we get you back for WWII" - Yes Europe would have struggled not to collapse, however Greece would had had around six months of real hardship. Some would not have made it, but the country would have been considerably stronger and certainly a lot more prosperous. Aparently springtime would have been the very best time of the year to start the hardship and many were already getting their allotments ready to start growing food for personal consumption.

I think Varoufakis would disagree. What would he know eh?. Everyone around the world would have felt it. We had a couple of bubbles in 2007 and look at the mess it made.

Happy voting

Edit: It starts at 6 mins ish and lasts about 50 minutes if memory serves. The rest is questions.

[george formby]

Apart from Brexit I'm also trying to fathom the TTIP. It looks like this agreement will get rammed through by Brussels regardless, deja vu. Sooo, if the UK votes to leave the EU will they still sign the TTIP? Surely an impediment to revitalizing the UK economy which is the main reason for Brexit in the first place. Or will it allow the UK to carry on trading on equal terms with the EU.... and what then happens with EU subsidies which will be against the nature of TTIP.

If the UK does vote out, what happens to the EU workers in the UK now? If they get kicked out it will leave a shit load of jobs to be filled quick sharp, a recipe for recession if ever I saw one.

My head is beginning to spin.

[jonbuoy]

I would say that the single very best thing to come out of Europe was the cost and quality of food.

Like the UK used to be, Kiwis get screwed over the price of food by the food cartels. You can't go elsewhere, so screw you. Once in Europe, the UK supermarkets started selling other non-food stuffs, as they weren't allowed to overly profit on foods anymore. Plus the old UK foods that were very poor, like pies, sausages, pasties etc, were outlwaed and they had to be made with more meat etc; like the frogs & krauts do it. The media also took a lot of the bad stuff out of UKers diets.

I was so happy when I saw that Kiwis still eat pies. Lots of them too

So I guess I am swaying slightly. The price of food became so much cheaper, when the UK joind the EU. Maybe NZ should join? If AUS can join in the Eurovision Song Contest, why the hell can't NZ become a part of the EU?

I would say Auckland is just as expensive as a lot of places in Europe for day to day living throw in Auckland house prices vs wages and it's more expensive.

There will always be insular attitudes from people living on Islands. Some of the EU rules are a bit bonkers but often they are taken out of context to rile up the small minded masses. England won't leave but they have to make people think they have a say in it.

[jonbuoy]

If you care so much - why did you ever leave England? (simply a question no judgement)

It will have an effect on people who were born in NZ but have claimed British passports and live/work in the Eurozone.

[Swoop]

Easy answer. What was starting to happen and is now happening, full on, was really obvious and I wanted no part of it.

Fuck Brussels. Power-crazed eurocrats who desire to live how they wish... and are going to drag every other country down to their level of intelligence. Also refer: the green, lunatic fringe.
Fuck Merkel. An east german who has a massive chip on her shoulder. "The world must pay" for the harm it has caused the socialist bitch...
Fuck Greece. Couldn't put up a decent system that could support retirement at 55 and a military that was grossly oversized and had only one enemy. And Ouzo.

My fear now is that NZ is dumbing itself down for some of the same.

Exhibit a: katman.
Exhibit b: yokel.
Case closed.

[YellowDog]

I would say Auckland is just as expensive as a lot of places in Europe for day to day living throw in Auckland house prices vs wages and it's more expensive.

There will always be insular attitudes from people living on Islands. Some of the EU rules are a bit bonkers but often they are taken out of context to rile up the small minded masses. England won't leave but they have to make people think they have a say in it.

As a commercial capital and also a harbour city, Auckland is very very cheap. Realy, it is!

Your $1m Central Auckland apartment would cost $3-5m in most commercial capitals. The North Shore is also waaaay to cheap.

[James Deuce]

All of the Greeks lied?

Pretty much, yes. At one point income tax default ran at about 90% and the highest number of Porsche Cayenne's per head of population in the world was Athens. Nation of lying tax dodgers with poor taste in cars. You can't tell me they don't deserve punishment.