Pink Batts vs Insulation blanket material

[eldog]

what you are asking for is a whole lot more than a heat pump
A seperate ventilation system will provide you with air changes,fresh air etc(can have a "switched" supply ie roof space air or outsie air) ,and your improved insulation will help with the heat build up in summer,and or make it more efficient to use the heat pumps to cool the place down.

I figured what I am asking for is much more than a heat pump.
The first salesman was quite laid back but maybe I didn't communicate properly.
I wasn't sure what to say I wanted......

I wanted to see if they would go cheap arse or proper

I definitely want proper - its to setup for the future.
after the biking malarcky has faded away

[eldog]

been a sparky for 37 years, used to rely on philips as a reputable brand, now i actively stay well clear of anything especially their light bulbs.....
as a self employed sparky i had too many failures of their shit that cost me money

I would say Philips USED to be a good brand esp for lights, other technology they were stodgy like HP. Reliable but not quite cutting edge.

I have spoken to their LED sales guy a while back (2 years - he sells the big LED stuff)- he seemed to know his shit.
I will make an enquiry and see what he suggests

I have seen cheap LED stuff not that impressed once you look inside the frame etc.

but its good to have info from people who actually use this stuff, rather than the greasy salesperson.

[Ocean1]

poppy cock, there was never a 50mm rule for downlights, there are some whose manufacturers instructions now state 50mm (scb rating) but more and more they are become 0 SCB and HCB which means they can be installed right in timber i install d/l's often as i'm a sparky, pm me as to what to look for

Oh, OK, good news. I was just going from the waffle on the box of a few sample fittings I got from Advanced Electrical.

Might talk further when the time comes, cheers.

[eldog]

Oh, OK, good news. I was just going from the waffle on the box cheers.

like house advertising, its what not listed that you should look at.

If it shows only interior shots - the outside is shit

and NZ COP is different from other countries

[jellywrestler]

I would say Philips USED to be a good brand esp for lights, other technology they were stodgy like HP. Reliable but not quite cutting edge.

I have spoken to their LED sales guy a while back (2 years - he sells the big LED stuff)- he seemed to know his shit.
I will make an enquiry and see what he suggests

I have seen cheap LED stuff not that impressed once you look inside the frame etc.

but its good to have info from people who actually use this stuff, rather than the greasy salesperson.

one issue with philpis is they cnage their products too often, do half a house this year, go back next to get matching fittings and they're no longer available. their flour lights can't be screwed up at 600mm between holes, without modification, nz timber and ceiling tiles are at 600mm, how many people at head office did that go in front of and still get through, demonstrates the lack of awareness to our needs, and when i talked to the rep about this he told me to just add 1/2 hr to the job for each fitting, really? nah i'll use another brand thanks

[eldog]

one issue with philpis is they cnage their products too often, do half a house this year, go back next to get matching fittings and they're no longer available. their flour lights can't be screwed up at 600mm between holes, without modification, nz timber and ceiling tiles are at 600mm, how many people at head office did that go in front of and still get through, demonstrates the lack of awareness to our needs, and when i talked to the rep about this he told me to just add 1/2 hr to the job for each fitting, really? nah i'll use another brand thanks

sounds like sales people(looking for an easy dollar- lazy) running the company rather than engineers and sparkys (hands on people)

Yes I would use another product if that's the case.
Unfortunately I HAVE to work for people like that.

Working very hard to get another couple of customers who will replace them - on track for that

[Erelyes]

except it isnt. And if your shits air tight you building will always be a nett energy consumer to get the requisite (healthy) number of air changes.

Passive building design ftw.

If you're meaning passive as in 'passive house', they generally require heat recovery from ventilation.

If you mean passive ventilation, it's funny how much 'passive' buildings require continual active involvement, fucking about with windows and what not. And they might work great in warmer climates, yet when it gets to be 0 degrees outside, all of a sudden your passive ventilation makes the place a fuckin icebox.

Especially down South, it's easier to just chuck a heat-recovery system in. Instead of fucking about opening windows after a shower, (or install a solitary bathroom fan - fuck that) we do absolutely nothing, and the heat recovery system takes care of the moisture. You can even set it up to monitor the temp of the hot water pipes to your bathroom and crank the system up for a short period automatically (we didn't bother).

'Sides, how does the running cost of a fan (80-200w in our case depending on speed) compare with the increased heating required to bring the outside air up to the same as heat-recovered air? Considering that Code requires/recommends, what, 0.35ACH as a 'healthy' number? The amount of energy you're recovering becomes pretty attractive.

[Akzle]

If you're meaning passive as in 'passive house', they generally require heat recovery from ventilation.

If you mean passive ventilation, it's funny how much 'passive' buildings require continual active involvement, fucking about with windows and what not. And they might work great in warmer climates, yet when it gets to be 0 degrees outside, all of a sudden your passive ventilation makes the place a fuckin icebox.

Especially down South, it's easier to just chuck a heat-recovery system in. Instead of fucking about opening windows after a shower, (or install a solitary bathroom fan - fuck that) we do absolutely nothing, and the heat recovery system takes care of the moisture. You can even set it up to monitor the temp of the hot water pipes to your bathroom and crank the system up for a short period automatically (we didn't bother).

'Sides, how does the running cost of a fan (80-200w in our case depending on speed) compare with the increased heating required to bring the outside air up to the same as heat-recovered air? Considering that Code requires/recommends, what, 0.35ACH as a 'healthy' number? The amount of energy you're recovering becomes pretty attractive.

no i mean passive building design. Have a turn on earth ships and the like. Teepees are good too. Done well enough id say even doors/opening windows are redundant.

And they generally dont need any "recovery", certainly not active and ongoing and electrical recovery.

[BMWST?]

I figured what I am asking for is much more than a heat pump.
The first salesman was quite laid back but maybe I didn't communicate properly.
I wasn't sure what to say I wanted......

I wanted to see if they would go cheap arse or proper

I definitely want proper - its to setup for the future.
after the biking malarcky has faded away

well good luck.When i was investigating heat pumps,vent systems and the like it became immediately apparent that at least half the people i talked to knew less than me with a few hours research on teh interwebs.Its also hard to get any meaningful comparisons as the heat pump salesman wont tell you that a pellet burner is better or visa versa.
Our first step was a ventilation system,and it made a huge difference.We had bad condensation in the winter,the ventilation system cured that in a couple of days!

[Oakie]

Our first step was a ventilation system,and it made a huge difference.We had bad condensation in the winter,the ventilation system cured that in a couple of days!

That was our experience too with our DVS. From streaming windows to dry in just one night. Amazing really.

[SPman]

..........................., outside this everything except where there is less than 600m verticle roof space, so nowadays a lot is just laid there.
mainly to do with people storing stuff in their ceilings.........................

you can store a shit load of stuff in 600m of roof space.........

[mikedonalds]

polyester insulation batts is the best. The polyester sound insulation layer can be neatly cut with a serrated knife or scissors. Unlike glass fiber insulation material so dangerous, it needs a full set of protective equipment.

[Laava]

polyester insulation batts is the best. The polyester sound insulation layer can be neatly cut with a serrated knife or scissors. Unlike glass fiber insulation material so dangerous, it needs a full set of protective equipment.

Hahahahahaha! You signed up to a motorbike forum to talk about insulation! What a fucken winner!