Helen Clark and her bid for the UN job

**Madness** · 6th August 2016, 22:21

Originally Posted by Stylo

Help me out or at least give me some tips ...

Try not to be such a homo?

**pritch** · 6th August 2016, 22:55

The media here like to point out how qualified Helen is. Most of the other candidates are silimilarly qualified. There are multiple former Prime Ministers who are currently heading UN agencies. This time there was a feeling that it was time for a woman to lead the UN, so far so good. There was also strong sentiment that this was Eastern Europe's turn, NZ is a long way from Eastern Europe.

Early on it was pointed out that Helen only had an outside chance, if one of the front runners was unacceptable though, it was possible she could come through as a compromise candidate.

I haven't seen who the current front runners are but one of the candidates is a female, former prime minster, from an Eastern European country, (Bulgaria) and she also currently heads a UN agency. Id be interested to see how she's going since she'd seem to tick all the boxes.

Interestingly several strong candidates have had a change of government at home since they nominated, this could create difficulties as all nominees must have the support of their own government.

**TheDemonLord** · 6th August 2016, 22:57

Originally Posted by Virago

Interestingly, such petty criticism is not solely a male domain, women can be just as bad at condemning other women on the basis of looks.

Statistically - It's women that are the worst offenders for that...

As for Helen - I'm on the Fence - it will be good for NZ and good on a principle to see her Nab the top Job - but I wasn't a fan of her Policies in NZ and don't think I would be a fan of her Policies in the UN either.

**Virago** · 6th August 2016, 23:16

Originally Posted by Jin

I dont support murrays but goddam have some fukn respect you bitch and at least acknowledge them.

The anti smacking law. If i wanna beat my kids to a pulp its none of anyone elses goddam business.

Seeing as it's the Murrays who beat their kids to a (dead) pulp I'm assuming that makes it a double insult to them.

**gsxr** · 7th August 2016, 00:48

What does/has the UN actually achieved.???

Under the United Nations Charter, the functions and powers of the Security Council are:

to maintain international peace and security in accordance with the principles and purposes of the United Nations;
to investigate any dispute or situation which might lead to international friction;
to recommend methods of adjusting such disputes or the terms of settlement;
to formulate plans for the establishment of a system to regulate armaments;
to determine the existence of a threat to the peace or act of aggression and to recommend what action should be taken;
to call on Members to apply economic sanctions and other measures not involving the use of force to prevent or stop aggression;

Not something I would consider they have been or are successful at to date.

**Berries** · 7th August 2016, 01:13

To be honest I don't understand why she was even at the Chiefs after match function.

**Berries** · 7th August 2016, 01:14

Sorry. Wrong thread.

**jasonu** · 7th August 2016, 04:48

Originally Posted by Jin

Im glad. Shes a revolting power mad bitch. Her reign over NZ was a low point for NZ imo.

Yet somehow you lot voted her in for 3 fucking terms!
Hells bells we (USA) are most likely to have a Helen of our own by the end of the year...

Edit
It might be moot now
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11688605

**oldrider** · 7th August 2016, 10:56

Originally Posted by gsxr

What does/has the UN actually achieved.???

Under the United Nations Charter, the functions and powers of the Security Council are:

to maintain international peace and security in accordance with the principles and purposes of the United Nations;
to investigate any dispute or situation which might lead to international friction;
to recommend methods of adjusting such disputes or the terms of settlement;
to formulate plans for the establishment of a system to regulate armaments;
to determine the existence of a threat to the peace or act of aggression and to recommend what action should be taken;
to call on Members to apply economic sanctions and other measures not involving the use of force to prevent or stop aggression;

Not something I would consider they have been or are successful at to date.

Originally Posted by jasonu

Yet somehow you lot voted her in for 3 fucking terms!
Hells bells we (USA) are most likely to have a Helen of our own by the end of the year...

Edit
It might be moot now
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11688605

Listening to Helen Clark there she spoke well and if she walked the talk - she is the last thing that Israel would ever want as secretary general - 8,9,10 - out!

What Israel wants - Israel gets!

and American puppetry always sees to it that she does!

watch this space!

**AllanB** · 7th August 2016, 12:33

Bloody UN is a ineffective figurehead.

**pritch** · 7th August 2016, 15:11

IIRC the Security Council was set up following WW2, so the composition of it reflects the problems they envisioned at that time. The world is currently a very different place with very different problems to the 1940s. It's quite possible that there could be a better mechanism to deal with today's problems than the current Security Council. Don't hold your breath.

**Jin** · 7th August 2016, 18:16

Originally Posted by jasonu

Yet somehow you lot voted her in for 3 fucking terms!
Hells bells we (USA) are most likely to have a Helen of our own by the end of the year...

Edit
It might be moot now
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11688605

I never voted for her and it wasnt until the 3rd term she went full retard