Government Corruption

[TheDemonLord]

Wasn't that how Limited Liability Companies came to be in England some centuries ago as projects needed non Govt funding and no one wanted to take the risk?
Be interested to know how he embezzled that sort of money with no one noticing.

Probably the same way anyone does it - by Bribing the people that do notice or by making it so convoluted that no one can be bothered digging deep enough to notice.

[Banditbandit]

You presume right.

I agree ...

[Banditbandit]

Me thinks it would be a different story if he wasn't likely to face the Death Penalty.

For my side, whilst it's morally corrupt in one sense to allow someone to pay the blood money for their freedom, I'm not so sure I could allow an extradition for fraud charges, where I would in effect be signing the mans Death Warrant. In this instance for me, the Moral Corruption of accepting the bribe is less than the moral corruption condemning a man to death.

If he was a Murderer or Rapist or Pedophile - I'd be happy to hand him over, but not for Fraud.

Pedophiles .. would you condemn pedophiles to death?

Is condemning a pedophile to death more morally corrupt than accepting a bribe so someone doesn't face charges?

[mashman]

This is completely corrupt and morally bankrupt - we have the fifth most wanted man in China living here in NZ .. and the Chinese want him back to face charges.

But for $43million we let him stay, with no charges, gets all his assets back - and no extradition to China. He's out and free ...

Forget Godzone being a Tax Shelter - for $43million we will shelter international criminals ...

Corrupt Corrupt and Corrupt.

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I'm sure Kim Dotcom will be lining up with $43million next ..

Aye... economic need beats law. They all understand it. They probably all accept it depending on whether a scalp is required or not. Who needs the law eh... Financial immunity from prosecution. Unless, of course, the gent in question is a Sovereign being

[Katman]

Okay - Where do you draw the line?

Suppose a succesfull CEO moves to a failing company to try and rescue it, but the company goes under after 6 months - do they have to forfeit their personal wealth?
Suppose a business owner is trying every best practices, but the economy has turned to shit and their company goes under - do they have to forfeit their personal wealth?
Suppose a Director made a decision that caused the company to fail due to unforseen external circumstances - do they have to forfeit their personal wealth?

For me, when there has been conscious foul play - I agree with you, that I have nothing but contempt. However where do you draw the line between foul play (embezzlement/Fraud) and bad management (no diversification of risk, poor decision making, mismanagement) and Bad luck (economy crashing, natural disaster etc.).

You'll be defending diplomatic immunity next.

[TheDemonLord]

Pedophiles .. would you condemn pedophiles to death?

Absolutely (provided that the evidence was sufficient to prove guilt), Hell, I'd pull the trigger myself.

Is condemning a pedophile to death more morally corrupt than accepting a bribe so someone doesn't face charges?

From my perspective - No.

[TheDemonLord]

You'll be defending diplomatic immunity next.

The same challenge could be raised - as to where and how you draw the line?

[Banditbandit]

Absolutely (provided that the evidence was sufficient to prove guilt), Hell, I'd pull the trigger myself.



From my perspective - No.

Interesting response .. your morality is, then, situational ?

[TheDemonLord]

Interesting response .. your morality is, then, situational ?

Well, isn't all rational Morality?

To quote Star Trek:

There can be no justice so long as laws are absolute. Even life itself is an exercise in exceptions.

I mean, Absolute Morality is one of the Corner stones of most Religions and a brief review of history shows how 'Moral' they turned out.

When I come to make a decision, I like to review the data at hand and account for each of the factors and let them weigh on my decision.

[Brian d marge]

I'm afraid the old time gangsters are running the show

sent for a divine source

[Oakie]

I don't think its 'corrupt'. Essentially he has paid a huge fine in an agreed settlement. Mediated settlements happen all the time and its a bit like that. Call it corrupt if the judiciary were not involved at all or the government denied it happened ... but they haven't hidden or denied it. A nice wee win for the Consolidated Fund.

[Voltaire]

Well, isn't all rational Morality?

To quote Star Trek:



I mean, Absolute Morality is one of the Corner stones of most Religions and a brief review of history shows how 'Moral' they turned out.

When I come to make a decision, I like to review the data at hand and account for each of the factors and let them weigh on my decision.

Quoting Star Trek

Don't they blow up other space ships with probably Romulan Women and Children on?

[ellipsis]

Well, isn't all rational Morality?

To quote Star Trek:



I mean, Absolute Morality is one of the Corner stones of most Religions and a brief review of history shows how 'Moral' they turned out.

When I come to make a decision, I like to review the data at hand and account for each of the factors and let them weigh on my decision.

...how much your decision would depend on your, preconceived ideas of 'how things should be'...NB... 'your, preconceived', ideas...

[TheDemonLord]

Quoting Star Trek

Don't they blow up other space ships with probably Romulan Women and Children on?

[Pedant hat]No because the Romulans only travelled with military personnel on their craft [/Pedant Hat]

However Star Trek did do a good job of exploring various philosophical issues.

[TheDemonLord]

...how much your decision would depend on your, preconceived ideas of 'how things should be'...NB... 'your, preconceived', ideas...

Well - aren't we all guilty of that to greater or lesser degrees?