Cliffhanger investigation

[jellywrestler]

Dispute may not have been quite correct, but in this instance it also related to tyres, compounds, treaded vs slicks in relation their estimates on corner speeds

differnt inquest kick

[Kickaha]

differnt inquest kick

It was bought up in the coroners court into the accident in which Colin Hooper was killed at Ruapuna

[Mooch]

Road course - yes, but did the organisers ask for the same as MNZ - at least 3 circuit meetings before entering ?
And of course we're in the nanny state now. Safety a priority as the dreaded word "liability" is likely to come up.

Graduated licences have been talked about for years. If they do come in, the system will cost more so expect licence costs to go even higher....

When MNZ ran the event as with other cliff hanger events you could get a day licence. However, you knew by no certain terms that the event could have high stakes and the lack of 1000 il4 weekend warriors competing would also confirm that.

Later years where run without MNZ but the events where run in the same manner. Riders brief , bikes checked , sighting run . And back protectors became compulsory. Many of the same marshals would volunteer and I found them to be very effective.

Both Malcolm and the other gentleman had competed on this for a number of years and had done many runs up the hill. Malcolm had a cautious approach to the event and with many of us would call it a day before having too many goes.

Turn 13 can catch you out. If you apex too early the line takes you wide which at 200 + puts you wide on the exit. The camber of the road rolls off quite quickly and drops away making it difficult to steer back towards the centre of the road. I gave myself quite a fright on one of my earlier runs due to apexing slightly to soon. Subsequent runs id be reminding myself breathe .... hold.... hold....turn in. Experience Racer dudes probably never noticed as they are more used to higher speed lines but novices and road riders it doesn't leave much room for error (as does cliff hanger corner)

Having said that this is a great event to compete in. I'd be buzzing for a week after the event. I know Malcolm really looked forward to it as we would talk enthusiastic about the hill between runs (and two stroke Pete) in terms of age it was quite varied but generally and older persons event. (like the fairborher gents that have been racing all their lives.

[actungbaby]

Neither were fast riders. I'll never understand how they crashed o that corner.

What the fuck is Tuckerman chiming in for? Vacant old cunt has never had anything to do with the Cliffhanger, aND isn't even an MNZ official as far as I know.

great point mate you know when you love bikes first thing i saw in that article was pround older man with bloody nice bike.

Picture says thousand words . the rest is bad luck really . on raod it usualy combination of 2-3 factors just happen to come toghter.

perfect storm if you will . what i know about racing u fit on postage stamp though have not the balls for it.

Meet guy yesterday at hosptial tryed take him to his car in the shuttle but leg was in a rig . becuase his kneee was farked.

Did on the road . some learner driver , he avoided the car great skills u ask me . but was going give up bikes put him off.

I pleaded with him to give it another try . i just asked you love bike yes he says . well just when you ready get back one

More time before you decide.

I got to say where going with this is on a closed road u dont have that added risk of the unknow . just your grip levels

and race to your skill level and keep calm usually okay. after all must be millions of kms done each year .

[actungbaby]

Its an odd world. People role the dice everyday with a probability of a terrible outcome but the minute someone has introduced some control measures the outcome becomes overly scrutinized and a blame game begins.
Living is dangerous. Your only safe when you are no longer living.

So very true buddy everone has work out there limits where they choosse to go.use the brain more than the heart.

which is tough at times of heated battle

[actungbaby]

Will be a shame if this ends the hillclimb. Doubt I will ever do it again myself. Too many deaths. Like someone said, people in their 50s like me need to recognise we are not teenagers and no longer have as fast reaction times and bendy, bouncy bones. Instead we discover the hard way our bones have become brittle twigs.

Creepy they were both 59 and same corner 13. RIP.

All suddent deaths are looked into and coronor is a very wise offical more so than most judges i say. they have to rule , on many

Tricky family .

Matters too where a rulling of accidental death or possible sucicide must have lasting effects on many familys.

Am sure he /she whould be mindfull overall impact it have on popular event. And these two blokes familys.

But over the years one in particlular made brave move public speaking out on a issue , and to regards

That there rullngs have no offical binding in law to make changes whatsover . there only role is to rule on cause of death.

and to make recomendations.

Must be bloody anoying when time after time they have deaths when saftey gear choild have made some diffrence .