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    So what does all this mean to you?
    If you want good picture quality, there's some amazingly good news here. The news is this: DVDs are encoded in component video!. This is a big step forward since VHS tapes and laserdiscs are encoded in composite video. So the signal information in those media is already diminished and compromised. But DVD is a different animal—not only is it more compact and easy to use, but a much higher quality format is on the DVD itself. All you need to do is take advantage of it.
    To do that, you need a DVD player with component video output, and a television or projector with component video input. You can connect the two with a three-wire component video cable. When you do this, you transfer the high quality signal from the DVD straight into your display system without it ever being converted to composite video. The result—better detail, a cleaner picture, and more accurate and richer color.
    But wait, there's more. Let's say you are one of the vast majority of consumers out there whose DVD player doesn't have component video outputs or your television or projector doesn't take component video input. What you then have is two connection options.
    First, you can do what most people do--use the simple yellow (RCA) video jacks. Actually this cable is often bound together with the audio connectors to make it even easier—yellow for video and red and white for audio. Couldn't be easier, right? Big mistake.
    The second connection option (the better option) is that you can use the clumsy 4-pin S-video jacks. This often requires a trip to the electronics store to get a more expensive cable. Most people don't want to bother. So they use the yellow RCA jacks because they are labeled VIDEO, and because that's the cable that came with the DVD player. Once they hook it up and turn it on, they find that the picture looks better than their VCR. So they are happy and forget about S-video. This is of course the wrong thing to do.
    Why? Because by using the yellow RCA video jacks, you are forcing your DVD player to down-convert all that great component video information on the DVD to lowly composite video in order to transmit it to your television or projector. You lose much of the picture quality that the DVD can deliver by doing this. OK, it looks better than your VCR. But you aren't getting the best picture you can get.
    So the alternative, S-video, is a MUCH better solution. An S-video cable actually carries two separate signals, one for luminance (Y) and one for chrominance or color (C). The Y signal is the same as in the native component video format. And the C is simply a combination of the B-Y and R-Y color difference signals. (Sometimes you will see S-video referred to as Y/C.) By keeping luminance and chrominance information separate on two wires it prevents most of the signal degradation that is inherent in the conversion to single-wire composite video.
    So. If you've got a DVD player and want to give yourself an instant video system upgrade, replace the composite video RCA cable (the one with the yellow plugs) with an S-video cable (round connector with four little pins). It's simple and inexpensive, and you will get a much better picture.
    Use component video if you have it
    If you have component video output on your DVD player and your TV or projector can take that signal, use it. DVD players with this output usually have three RCA jacks which are color-coded green, blue, and red. They are labeled either Y, B-Y, R-Y, or alternatively Y, Pb, Pr, or Y, Cb, Cr. For practical purposes they are all the same thing. If your television or projector also has the same three RCA jacks, just connect them with a three-wire component video cable making sure the colors match up on both ends (or you can use three standard composite video cables to do the same thing).
    Frequently a projector will take component video, but only through a VGA port, commonly a 15-pin D-sub like the output ports on a PC. In this case you will need a cable that has the three RCA jacks on one end for the DVD player, and a 15-pin D-sub VGA connector on the other. You can order this cable from most projector manufacturers that market projectors with this interface.
    Progressive vs. interlaced component video
    We've got one more important thing to cover on this topic. Component video comes in two flavors—progressive and interlaced. If you don't know the difference, read The Difference between HDTV, EDTV, and SDTV, then come back to this page.
    There are three basic kinds of DVD players. First, there are those that have composite and S-video outputs only. Second, there are those that have composite, S-video, and component video interlaced (480i) outputs. Finally, there are those that have composite, S-video, and two forms of component video—component interlaced (480i) and component progressive (480p) outputs.
    People often make a big mistake these days by going out to buy a DVD player knowing that "component video" is an important thing, but not being aware that there are lots of DVD players that output "component-interlaced only" and not component-progressive. Both products will say they are "component video" compatible, but if you don't know the difference, you can end up buying something you don't want. If your current video display system takes component-progressive 480p (or you intend to get one that does), you will need to make sure your DVD player offers this as an output as well.
    It is important to know this when buying a projector or TV also. There are projectors on the market that will take component-interlaced 480i, but not component-progressive 480p. Some with take both, and some will take neither. The best picture quality will often come from matching a DVD player with a projector that both have component progressive 480p.
    If a projector specification sheet says that it takes component video, DO NOT assume that it takes both 480i and 480p unless it specifically states that it is 480p or component-progressive compatible. Sometimes a specification sheet will state component video compatibility, but it means 480i only.
    (NOTE: At this writing, if the line item "Component video" on our Projector Database specification sheets says "yes" it means that the projector will take either 480i or 480p but not necessarily both. We are presently in the process of upgrading our Database to include specific indications as to compatibility with component 480i and 480p individually in order to eliminate this confusion. But until that is done, be aware of the issue if you are currently buying a projector or large screen TV for your home theater.)
    Conclusion
    The way to get the best DVD picture is to use component video connections (if you have them) between your DVD player and your TV or projector. Component-progressive is preferred when you have both progressive and interlaced options.
    For the vast majority of DVD users who don't have component capability in either their players or their display systems, the next best thing is S-video. If you are one of the large majority of DVD enthusiasts who are running composite video out of your DVD player and inadvertently degrading the picture as a result, give yourself a quality upgrade--get an S-video cable as soon as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R1Aaron
    I can do you a SCART to s-vid, but not component, does your dvd not have component out? how many component inputs duz ya telly have?
    Yup the dvd (Sony rdr-hx910) has component out and that's what I have hooked up now. s-vid was an improvement over composhit but I really wanted to use the component plugs as that provides the best picture for my TV (Sony 42" Grand Wega). it has 2 component input + 3 rear and 1 front rca/s-vid.

    What I'm trying to do by using scart for the devices is make it easy to switch between them. I have a switch box that has a number of different connectors (rca, s-vid, optical and scart) and scart is probably the easiest way for me to get decent video into the LCD TV. Also if I can get the switch box to work how I want it to (it already does for s-vid/rca/optical) it means I can just leave the tv on component1 and not have to change the AV input setting (easy for me but not for wife + kids).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoon
    Yes as others have said you need a magic box to convert scart/s-video into component, this can't be done with a cable or adapter - its more than just matching wires up to pins as the protocols are entirely different (edit: bahh beaten to it!!)

    I had a similar issue trying to get the best picture out of my Sky/DVDHomeTheatre/VCR/Xbox/WidescreenTV combo and ended up having to make a few concessions as I couldn't acheive optimal performance for every combination without changing plugs. So the DVD Home theatre got component, Sky -> svideo and Xbox/VCR composite with no sound output to the home theatre system.

    It all depends on what is acceptable for you. i.e. DVD quality is more important to me than Sky. Also I could've had the Xbox running through the Home theatre but it would mean pressing two remotes to switch between xbox and tv which for someone that shoots it up every ad-break is unthinkable.

    Next I plan to ditch the VCR for a Tivo unit which will cause even more headaches....

    Thanks Hoon,

    I'm using a Joytech device to switch between my components. it works well and has made my life a lot easier. The remote I have lets you run a macros every time you select a new device to operate so I'm using that to setup the TV and Amp to what I need for the device.

    Good luck with the Tivo unit, a friend has one and loves it. have you looked at the "My Sky" offering, not great but not bad either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul in NZ
    The box is on my desk and you are welcome to try it.
    Thanks Paul, I'm just about to email you. If it makes a noticable difference to Sky then I'll probably buy one. When you say Mark on the Coast do you mean up your way ??
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    As a note I just found out the TV supports 1080i, 720p, 576p, 480p from component inputs and the dvd will convert any video signal it gets to progressive component for output.
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    Quote Originally Posted by matthewt
    Thanks Paul, I'm just about to email you. If it makes a noticable difference to Sky then I'll probably buy one. When you say Mark on the Coast do you mean up your way ??
    Yup, he is in paraparaumu...

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    Quote Originally Posted by WRT
    Check with IT Products or Anyware (both in Auckland sorry!) to see what options are available. Both offer a wide range of converters and adaptors at very reasonable prices.
    Both these companies are wholesalers and wont deal with the end-user...
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    Quote Originally Posted by matthewt
    The remote I have lets you run a macros every time you select a new device to operate ......
    Hey thats a great idea!!! I've seen those LCD touch screen remotes but never thought of using them like that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoon
    Hey thats a great idea!!! I've seen those LCD touch screen remotes but never thought of using them like that!
    It's not a lcd touch screen one. I really wanted a Philips Pronto but just can't justify $1000 for a remote. I've got a Sony (RMVL1000) one that cost about $200 at the time. Looks like a "normal" remote but can keep track of 12 devices. Allows some good customising if you have the time.

    If you're looking for a highend remote then www.remotecentral.com is the place to go for research. I see a few places now are offering the baby pronto (neo??) for around $400.
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    SCART connectors are a trap for the unwary. They have 21 pins and can in theory handle any type of video signal (composite, RGB, component, Y/C...) as well as audio, input and output, but it depends on the equipment as to which signals are provided and which pins are wired. And despite the original concept the pin configuration is not standardised. And if you want to route audio separately you have to have an adaptor anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeL
    SCART connectors are a trap for the unwary. They have 21 pins and can in theory handle any type of video signal (composite, RGB, component, Y/C...) as well as audio, input and output, but it depends on the equipment as to which signals are provided and which pins are wired. And despite the original concept the pin configuration is not standardised. And if you want to route audio separately you have to have an adaptor anyway.
    A plague on the European committee that came up with the idea.
    Yup a trap for sure. Got caught a couple of times not remembering to set what I wanted output to scart. I don't forget anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeL
    SCART connectors are a trap for the unwary. They have 21 pins and can in theory handle any type of video signal (composite, RGB, component, Y/C...) as well as audio, input and output, but it depends on the equipment as to which signals are provided and which pins are wired. And despite the original concept the pin configuration is not standardised. And if you want to route audio separately you have to have an adaptor anyway.
    A plague on the European committee that came up with the idea.

    One good thing about using scart between TV and DVR / VIDEO is that on the TV remote , if you hit the RED button normally used for Teletext in NZ the DVR will start recording. Nice and convenient.

    I'm with the rest here on using decent separate cables for each function , but from the Wife who hates wires point of view , I think she would prefer maybe 4 scarts running RGB than , 3 component , 3 svhs , 16 RCA audio , 1 spdif and one coax digital audio links complete with a cable management system.
    Sure the scarts would only give stereo , but it becomes far less complex and tidy
    Perhaps Matt should grab one of these.
    http://www.ramelectronics.net/html/kd-msw8x3.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mooch
    Perhaps Matt should grab one of these.
    http://www.ramelectronics.net/html/kd-msw8x3.htm
    Bit of an overkill for my purposes. But it doesn't surprise me that they are available.

    I'm using this at the moment

    http://www.joytech.net/product_info....products_id=77

    The pdf link shows the rear ports. In all it does the job quite nicely.
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    So you happy the Wega 42 ?. The picture on those look great , and it's hard to believe it's an RP TV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mooch
    So you happy the Wega 42 ?. The picture on those look great , and it's hard to believe it's an RP TV.
    VERY happy. The LCD works a lot better than crt rp. Looks good off angle and also in sunlight so no complaints. I looked at the 50" but too big for the room and the resolution is the same so I went for the 42.
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