Really? What was the occasion?Originally Posted by Doppleganger
Ta
Really? What was the occasion?
Weekend cruiser
Post classic festival last Feb I think it was and again for next year.
Some of those guys are not a lot slower than club riders some could be even faster and on a old tech machines, go figure how that is safer ?????
Highway Biker
Really disappointed at HD. Bike track days that have been set until Jan-17; 4 out of 6 are on the little shitty extension bit (GT Radial Circuit). I was hoping it would be the full circuit not the go kart track... It shouldn't be like this
Forum whore
no it's just instead of the facilites inching forward peicemeal it's all been finished in one effort, instead of the prices creeping up it's hit harder with one lot. they need allsorts to ensure it's paying back some dividends, christ we're lucky it cam e this far, i don't think anyone would start another again so easily...
Forum whore
yip and double the manpower to staff it means costs go up, which do you prefer?
Hardcore Biker
Thats racing. it isn't a poor mans sport even at the club level, if you think otherwise you are delusional.
It's a lot like the Auckland housing market, an entitlement that everybody should be able to afford to buy there and wages should match etc etc, it's the same old as always... you want to earn the big bucks change to that career and make the big bucks. The reality is most people are plebs their entire life working under somebody else for feck all pay while they charge you out at triple of more of the rate they are paying you. That's the way the world works and in no way means as an income earner of that level you should be able to afford a house in Auckland, or race a motorcycle at Hampton Downs.
Because a rich man can afford a lamborghini should i be able to have one too? You don't get the lamborghini without sacrifice and hard work. Nobody is going to hand you the world on a plate.
A trackday is a luxury... not a right... luxuries are expensive.
To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason, and whose philosophy consists in holding humanity in contempt, is like administering medicine to the dead.
In the riders seat
$150 and watch masses of entries roll in, you're fucking delusional
Oh yeah we pay $80 for our club days
"If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough power."
Forum whore
Priced high has a long term negative effect.
The people you want to start racing at a young age cant afford these kind of prices.
The young riders who wont attend due to lower than average incomes are the guys that would have kept the numbers up later on.
Look forward to a decrease of talent later.
I have evolved as a KB member.Now nothing I say should be taken seriously.
Low personal B.M.E.P.
Not as a private venture certainly. In NZ I reckon the privately owned business model is not viable except possibly right where it is - close to Auckland.
Ruapuna and Levels are both on council owned land, Teretonga was set up when it was cheap to do. Manfield much the same.
If another track ever appears I reckon it'll be sponsored by a council to attract people to spend money in the area.
The only thing that saved Levels a few years back was the local business community realising how much they'd lose if it went under.
Puke won't be the salvation of the Auckland crowd either - The Franklin Racing Club have always wanted to get shot of the annoying motor race circuit...
And when a few years back they made Mark Petch the business manager for the track i believe his first act was to put prices up.
Forum whore
Battle of the Buckets next Saturday at Levels $30 entry for North Islanders, $70 for South Islanders
King of Ruapuna the next day $55 entry for locals , cheeper for North islanders
Big 3 day classic meet in december at levels about $250 for the whole thing
come on in the water is fine
My neighbours diary says I have boundary issues
Bored Room
My understanding is that Puke are quite keen to get motor racing.
Probably only a matter of time before urban sprawl makes it impractical to run, but hey if the speedway at Western Springs can find off the Audi/SUV brigade there is hope.
One for the panel.
What do you think the base costs of running a two day event at Puke are?
Track hire, marshal costs, St Johns?
DeMyer's Laws - an argument that consists primarily of rambling quotes isn't worth bothering with.
Hardcore Biker
Long term Puke will go that way of Baypark, urban sprawl & noise restrictions will limit use of the track to a point where it is no longer viable. The nimbys are forcing speedway out of western Springs just taking longer than they expected.
Ta
Post classic hard chargers are within 3 or 4 seconds of superbike.
Is the post classic association MNZ affiliated?
Bored Room
Puke is run by the NZCMRR , the NZPCA are invited along. It has MNZ approval.
http://www.nzcmrr.com/index
NZCMRR now has a " 70's" class, time to dust off those old bikes and take them out for a spin. The 350/500 class is looking good with Honda 350 twins and even a 4, plus Suzuki 500's
Feb Festival has a Marlboro Series Reunion theme so expect lots of Japanese bikes to be there
DeMyer's Laws - an argument that consists primarily of rambling quotes isn't worth bothering with.
L-Plate Rider
While there have been some negative and positive comments regards Hampton Downs I thought hang on, why not ask whats involved in running a race meeting, so I asked some questions. Here some facts.
As part of circuit hire all of the below items are costs.
1. Race track, To run a race meeting there is the track hire, cant race with out one.
2. Radios, these are for the safety of the riders so the Clerk of course is in touch with all the point marshals and pick up crews ( around 40 Radios are required)
3. Race control, the hub of where every thing happens this is where the timing and where the clerk of course and steward controls the meeting and safety of the riders and officials.
4. Timing, yes we live in 2016 riders in effect demand the latest technology, do we want to go back to the old days of lap scoring by race bike numbers. Not really feasible because the numbers on bikes nowadays are not readable by spectators,let alone lap scorers. A major part of this is caused by the design of fairings and the lack of space for numbers.
5. PA system. Riders will be the first to complain if they don,t hear their race is up next. The PA system also keeps the public informed.
6. Air bags. Required for rider safety.
7. Machine check building. Required as who wants to do machine checking or attend machine checking out in the rain or the baking sun.
8. Hampton Downs Health and Safety levy. In todays world we all have to live with it at work or play.
9. Ambulance, always a full life support unit as riders lives are paramount, MNZ rule book says a qualified first aider.
10. Facility clean up, some one has to clean the place up.
11. Garages, makes racing so much easier power supplied dry if meeting wet. Alternative is to bring your own generator and tent, your call.
12. Permit,have to have one for MNZ event protection and insurance cover.
13. Marshals. There are costs involved. These volunteers stand out there all day while riders get their jollies, so lunch and water are supplied for them. 31 Track workers are required, without considering all the others required to run a race day. Normally around 50 people.
14. MTA vouchers. Volunteers have to travel to the circuit to marshal or be pick up crew all day so riders can race.
15. Ctas, Rider's voted for this excellent service .
If we could attract Spectators, the position would be altered, but no matter what is done and how much is spent, the gate take remains the same.
This doesn't cover off everything but covers the main things that make a race meeting work.
We all understand all the hours riders put in to preparing their bikes, but like wise club officials probably put as many hours in planning and running a meeting which no one actually sees.
To have a successful meeting there needs to be the track and associated items, club official in the back room, club officials up front, riders and crew, spectators. A meeting can not operate with out all parties playing their part.
Its simple, add up your track hire and club costs, divide by what you believe the entry numbers will be equals the entry fee.
So encourage more riders to race and entry fees will come down.
Clubs exist to assist their members and to promote Racing, but if they are losing money on Race Meetings, eventually the money will run out and then not only do they stop running race meetings, they are declared bankrupt. The clubs can only work within the cost structures the circuits provide.
Just another quick point. Pukekohe is now more expensive to hire than HD. When the V8 Supertaxis race there in November, watch a little of the coverage and see just how rough the circuit has become. Much worse than it was. I understand that the Toyota Racing Series and Formula 5000's cannot race there because of the state of the circuit.
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