Feminists going full retard.

[TheDemonLord]

Your analogies are getting worse. Try firemen instead.

So, you don't go to fight a fire, you don't don a firesuit, you don't operate a hose, you don't drive a firetruck, you don't pull people from a burning building - you aren't a fireman.

On the contrary, I am pointing out that there is no evidence to say the majority of feminists has diverged from the original intent of equality. The burden of proof is on you to support your claim that they have. As I said, you still do not understand that a feminist can see their goal achieved, and decide to do no more; think of the fireman, they stop once the fire is put out, as that is their goal.

90%.

You need to bring some proof of your counter claim.

Nope, fake news is fucking everywhere, you can't put that on feminism.

Not news, Academia. So yes, I can put that on Feminism.

Just made a wild guess since your articles rambled on about some other shit. Even if you consider all of those in that organisation to be extremists, they're still by far in the minority since 100>>1.15

Where did you get 100 from? And are you really trying to say that the biggest Feminist organization/lobby group in the US is somehow an extremist off-shoot?

I mean, it certainly proves my point that the Majority are in fact 'the extremists'

How do you know the 80% for equality aren't getting up in arms when sexist comments are made by males?

The same way that you don't.

That plus these hate brigades are usually spearheaded by the same group of people.

I'm say that the disproportionate reaction to male/female sexist comments is because those things happened (rather disproportionately one could say).

So, Women are incapable of fending off a few choice remarks, and this will see them back to Victorian standards of living... As I said, I think women are a lot more capable than that - it's why I treat them as Adults and not children.

They still happen in some countries, and there are still people who wish to see it happen again in ours.

Yes and if we lived in those countries or those people held a majority position, you might have a point.

Neither did the chancellor... And your maths must have been pretty dirty to get 66/90 equal to 40% (it's 73 btw).

Ooooooh Bogan, I am disapoint - The comparison was for part time women to full time men - you forgot to take the inverse: 33/90 - which is 36.6% (hence my quick and dirty maths was actually pretty accurate)

[bogan]

So, you don't go to fight a fire, you don't don a firesuit, you don't operate a hose, you don't drive a firetruck, you don't pull people from a burning building - you aren't a fireman.



90%.

You need to bring some proof of your counter claim.



Not news, Academia. So yes, I can put that on Feminism.



Where did you get 100 from? And are you really trying to say that the biggest Feminist organization/lobby group in the US is somehow an extremist off-shoot?

I mean, it certainly proves my point that the Majority are in fact 'the extremists'



The same way that you don't.

That plus these hate brigades are usually spearheaded by the same group of people.



So, Women are incapable of fending off a few choice remarks, and this will see them back to Victorian standards of living... As I said, I think women are a lot more capable than that - it's why I treat them as Adults and not children.



Yes and if we lived in those countries or those people held a majority position, you might have a point.



Ooooooh Bogan, I am disapoint - The comparison was for part time women to full time men - you forgot to take the inverse: 33/90 - which is 36.6% (hence my quick and dirty maths was actually pretty accurate)

Perhaps analogies aren't really your thing. Let's look at the point you are trying to make, that 'the majoirty of feminists want more than equality', you've now got to the point where you are trying to exclude any feminist who doesn't want more than equality from that definition. That is very illogical.

Believing fake stats does not change their motivations, please stop with this strawman.

Which simply shows bias on your part.

18% of people identify as feminists right? 100mil is thus a low estimate of their total numbers. 100 remains vastly bigger than 1.15, so no, it does not show majority at all. I putting some ballpark figures in so we don't have to get bogged down with exactly what those 1.15mil people stand for; they're simply not a majority.

That I don't what? Get up in arms when sexist comment are made by males?

Why would it have to be women who fend off the remarks? and isn't fending off the remarks what was done to the chancellor?

You're losing the plot, why the fuck would you compare the part time women with the full time men to try and show relative career durations? With all this illogic, occams razor is starting to show...

[James Deuce]

Men have been actively discriminatory and violent toward women for centuries, operating from a position of privilege that has become so entrenched that it takes an active effort to understand what you are looking at.

There is no such thing as "misandry". Feminism is just treating everyone the same, irrespective of gender. It's not that hard to understand, but that privilege bias, which isn't any individual male's "fault" in western society, really just about makes it impossible to understand where women are arguing from. We've had 40+ years to get our heads around the issue, plus an increasing number of scientific studies that have confirmed that the only difference between men and women is plumbing and social programming.

There is no argument that supports "men's rights". We start out with all the social advantage. You just need firstly to understand that there is a problem, frame the issue and understand that addressing it doesn't mean you've lost "power. But you can only come to that understanding yourself. There's no activist movement that ever "converted" an individual to their own viewpoint, they are an echo chamber of like-minded individuals, just like Homo Mysogynist.

Stop playing the man and play the ball. No one was ever convinced they were wrong by being told they were a cunt.

[Katman]

No one was ever convinced they were wrong by being told they were a cunt.

I'm determined to prove you wrong.

[James Deuce]

I'm determined to prove you wrong.

You are honest, I'll give you that

[Akzle]

an increasing number of scientific studies that have confirmed that the only difference between men and women is plumbing and social programming.

not a fact.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Are boobies plumbing? Mmmmmmm...boobies.

[yokel]

Men have been actively discriminatory and violent toward women for centuries, operating from a position of privilege that has become so entrenched that it takes an active effort to understand what you are looking at.

There is no such thing as "misandry". Feminism is just treating everyone the same, irrespective of gender. It's not that hard to understand, but that privilege bias, which isn't any individual male's "fault" in western society, really just about makes it impossible to understand where women are arguing from. We've had 40+ years to get our heads around the issue, plus an increasing number of scientific studies that have confirmed that the only difference between men and women is plumbing and social programming.

There is no argument that supports "men's rights". We start out with all the social advantage. You just need firstly to understand that there is a problem, frame the issue and understand that addressing it doesn't mean you've lost "power. But you can only come to that understanding yourself. There's no activist movement that ever "converted" an individual to their own viewpoint, they are an echo chamber of like-minded individuals, just like Homo Mysogynist.

Stop playing the man and play the ball. No one was ever convinced they were wrong by being told they were a cunt.

I use to kinda think like that, but after working and having a few relationships with em, I don't think like that anymore.

Women are completely different to men, just watch a chick try and throw a ball, that's some fucked up shit.

When I was much younger, it was well known that women sucked at things like maths and science, somewhere along the lines I forgot/ conditioned out of that knowledge.

"what's a feminism?" - Bill English.

http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politi...at-feminism-is

And who exactly is the minister of men?

[yokel]

Are boobies plumbing? Mmmmmmm...boobies.

How about some side boob action?

[PrincessBandit]

Are boobies plumbing? Mmmmmmm...boobies.

They are when you're breastfeeding - and not always controllable!!!

[TheDemonLord]

Perhaps analogies aren't really your thing. Let's look at the point you are trying to make, that 'the majoirty of feminists want more than equality', you've now got to the point where you are trying to exclude any feminist who doesn't want more than equality from that definition. That is very illogical.

I'm saying that anyone who doesn't do anything related to Feminism isn't a Feminist. It's really simple - you are trying to claim (with no evidence mind) that there is the vast group of Feminists who represent the Majority who don't actually do anything related to Modern Feminism.

I'm not ignoring anyone who doesn't want more than Equality - I'm saying the current majority in Feminism says they want equality, but by their belief in disproven theories (which are still actively disseminated by both Popular and Academic Feminists as truth) they end up acting for inequality.

If you've got some proof of this silent majority - then by all means post it up, until then - I met your burden of proof.

Believing fake stats does not change their motivations, please stop with this strawman.

How are they Fake? This was a survey done by Feminists, for Feminists - if anything, it is biased in favour of the Feminist viewpoint - and yet it still shows 90% believing in something that factually is not true. This is not a Strawman, this is Feminists hanging themselves by their own rope.

Which simply shows bias on your part.

'Bias' formed by investigating what was being generated by Academic Feminism - it's like saying that you are biased against Pedophilia because you know what Pedos do....

18% of people identify as feminists right? 100mil is thus a low estimate of their total numbers. 100 remains vastly bigger than 1.15, so no, it does not show majority at all. I putting some ballpark figures in so we don't have to get bogged down with exactly what those 1.15mil people stand for; they're simply not a majority.

Completely wrong - the 18% stat is for WOMEN who identify as Feminist - a quick goggle shows that in the US, there are about 115 Million Adult women, so 18% is about 23 million (so your figure of 100 mil is out by a factor of 4). The problem however is that the organization I cited is the BIGGEST feminist organisation in the US - and they demonstrate clear discrimination against Men and Fathers.

You are trying to claim that they are a minority, as if they are akin to the Westboro baptist church, when in fact they are more like the Vatican (since they are the biggest Feminist organization and all)

That I don't what? Get up in arms when sexist comment are made by males?

You clearly missed the point - which was that you don't have any solid data for that claim

Why would it have to be women who fend off the remarks? and isn't fending off the remarks what was done to the chancellor?

The comment was made against women - who I think are capable of dismissing it as poorly thought out, whereas you are insinuating that comments like that will set them back.

You're losing the plot, why the fuck would you compare the part time women with the full time men to try and show relative career durations? With all this illogic, occams razor is starting to show...

Well, for starters - we are both assuming what the the Chancellor was actually meaning - From my perspective, it sounds like he is talking about the fact that on average women will seek less work hours, often forgo jobs where there is a large on-call/after-hours component, will opt to work part time at a greater rate than men - not to mention taking time out of the workforce for children (again on average)

IF (and that is a big if for which I don't have proof, I'm not a mind reader - but then neither are you) he is extrapolating the global working averages of Women's work preferences and applying them to the Veterinary profession, then his comment is not sexist, but simple a statement that on average women do less gross work than Men. Was it poor form to give a figure (estimated, extrapolated or otherwise devised without proper investigation)? I'll agree that it was, but to force him to step down as a result of it - I draw the line here, I think he should be given the opportunity to clarify his remarks before being dragged over the coals.

[Akzle]

acres

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of shit

dude. i realise you're probably getting your autistic jollies off bog. but for the love of all things good (and internets, and pandas, and life)
:stop encouraging the stupid cunt.

[TheDemonLord]

Men have been actively discriminatory and violent toward women for centuries,

I agree.

operating from a position of privilege that has become so entrenched that it takes an active effort to understand what you are looking at.

This privledge however, was not formed solely on the basis of Sex - Class and Wealth were much much MUCH more important- which is why you have people such as Queen Elizabeth the 1st, Boudicea etc.

There is no such thing as "misandry".

Okay 2 arguments:

1: it has a definition in the Dictionary - so is clearly a thing
2: Man does something to a Woman because he hates Women = Misogyny, Women does something to a Man because she hates Men = Nope, doesn't exist.

Are you really going to try and make that argument?

Feminism is just treating everyone the same, irrespective of gender.

That is what it says on the Sales brochure, however - Sales people lie. You'll note that the Communism sales brochure doesn't mention the hundreds of millions of people murdered.

It's not that hard to understand, but that privilege bias, which isn't any individual male's "fault" in western society, really just about makes it impossible to understand where women are arguing from.

It really is possible - they have every right that Men have, then realized the grass wasn't any greener.

We've had 40+ years to get our heads around the issue, plus an increasing number of scientific studies that have confirmed that the only difference between men and women is plumbing and social programming.

Bull. Fucking. Shit.

Even if I grant you that there is a shit tonne of debate about the Neurological differences between the sexes and to the varying extent that they may or may not influence behaviors between the Sexes, there is a whole host of sexually dimorphic characteristics between the Sexes.

Did you read any of the published papers I cited? Or are you just reading from Scripture?

There is no argument that supports "men's rights".

Because Fuck Men, they aren't important amiright? What was it you were saying a moment ago - no such thing as Misandry? It's right there, in your post.

If a Man lacks a right that a Woman has - this is a Men's Rights issue. If your position that this discrimination is okay, I'm going to call you a sexist (and a massive hypocrite)

We start out with all the social advantage.

Yeah, tell that to the 90% of Homeless people (who btw are Men) - Go on, tell them about their Social Advantage.

You just need firstly to understand that there is a problem,

There IS a problem.

frame the issue

I have.

and understand that addressing it doesn't mean you've lost "power.

How can one loose power that they currently don't have?

This IS the problem: That there are legal and governmental discrimination against Men and Men's issues.

Why don't you take your advise - Understand there is a problem, frame it correctly and understand that Society in a multitude of ways is fucking over Men and Boys - and in some cases, it's doing it based on a Myth perpetuated by a group whose very existence is dependent on them having a boogeyMAN to fight against.

[pritch]

C'mon Stewart, what salary are you on, then we can decide how smart you really are.

Gotta share the love.

[TheDemonLord]

dude. i realise you're probably getting your autistic jollies off bog. but for the love of all things good (and internets, and pandas, and life)
:stop encouraging the stupid cunt.

Must Spread etc.