Feminists going full retard.

[HenryDorsetCase]

A couple of things - if you compare the performance of boys in School from now with about 50 years ago, boys today are performing worse. On your comments about they get caught up with Hormones - The teaching method of today is biased towards girls - Boys are expected to sit still and read for extended periods of time because this is what girls do and is easier for the Teacher.

I actually attended an All boys school and a Mixed school - and Objectively - we were doing things 2-3 years ahead of the Mixed school in the All boys school. I'd suggest that was because the Teachers could specialize on how to Teach boys (who tend to learn in different ways than girls).

There has also been a shift from a single end of year exam (where Boys perform better on average than girls) to micro-assessment throughout the year (which girls perform better on average than boys)

I'm not sure about the secondary school demographics, but in primary and pre-school classes, Male teachers are virtually non-existent - This has been suggested as due to a cultural Stigma that if a Man wants to interact with young children, they must be a Pedophile (despite the rates of Pedophilia occurring approximately equally between Men and Women)

blah schools.

fuck that. Schools are prisons for subhuman scum. People finish school and may or may not start to become human.

[PrincessBandit]

All sorts of shit can get emotionally charged when outspoken extremists vent their opinions. Extreme feminists are only pushing their blinkered tunnel-visioned barrow, and I have no time for them. I'm all for equal recognition for a job done equally well by either gender

[TheDemonLord]

All sorts of shit can get emotionally charged when outspoken extremists vent their opinions. Extreme feminists are only pushing their blinkered tunnel-visioned barrow, and I have no time for them. I'm all for equal recognition for a job done equally well by either gender

Same - my contention is that Feminism is not for Equality.

[yokel]

All sorts of shit can get emotionally charged when outspoken extremists vent their opinions. Extreme feminists are only pushing their blinkered tunnel-visioned barrow, and I have no time for them. I'm all for equal recognition for a job done equally well by either gender

With the feminist rhetoric about "gender equality" I thought they'd start taking testosterone, I didn't see the "gender identity" thing coming where delusional c&#ts think they're the opposite sex.

[Big Dog]

Soooo, it's not really Paternity leave - is it?

When you compared it to 14 weeks leave that you get as the Mother.

Also another fun fact - Mothers are automatically the legal guardian of a child in NZ, but the Father - well fuck him, he only gets to be the Legal guarding if he meets certain criteria....

Not identical no, but then we don't push a watermelon out of our penis.
We are both able and usually willing to have new sex same day.
Sun roof or hatchback makes no difference, most women can't walk properly let alone look after a child alone for 2 weeks. No chance at returning to work.
She has to take some time off, you taking time off is optional.

If you are that worried about it negotiate it in your next pay discussion... just don't be surprised if wanting 14 weeks paid parental leave available to you reduces the size of your package.

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[mossy1200]

Interesting

Cost of living is set by affordability.

When most family income was based on one wage housing prices matched affordability.
When family income changed to double income housing prices adjusted themselves to the affordability of this.
The addition of large workforce per head of population created an increase in people unable to find work.
This caused a increased pressure on those working to support those who could not find work.
It also caused double income families to not be able to afford to go down to one income for raising families.
Now we have a culture of people having children when they are older, not at all or people on benefits having children who
are breading children who are less likely to succeed due to poor upbringing.

Feminism and equal rights are all good but the planing and introduction was poor.
Natural structure of family group by species was disrupted with out consideration to the end result.

[husaberg]

boys still do very well in the education system - I'm not sure where you get your views on that from - but in my experience boys can easily get caught up in their hormone and testosterone issues when girls are in the classroom equation so that is something to consider". Like I said, that's only my knee jerk response. I will look into it further.
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I am basing it from observing the year 9 prize givings for the last 5 years (as we have to sit through the lot) but i could be wrong or biased, but there seems to be a trend at our school at least.
The girls are consistantly out performing the boys, certainly in the results.
The school my kids go to has a "boys only" year 8 and and 9 class.(with a male teacher)
So i don't think hormones really explains it fully.
I consider its might engagement of another kind. or a circulum that doesn't seem to suit the boys
Yes i have noticed there is more equal male teachers ratios at high school, likely as a result of higher pay rates, but i have also noticed most of the new teacher are female.

[TheDemonLord]

Not identical no, but then we don't push a watermelon out of our penis.

Do we as fathers then not have the right to be present at our childrens most critical stage of development - when they first experience life?

She has to take some time off, you taking time off is optional.

And who then looks after her if (as you say) she is unable to walk/look after a child? Seems like you have refuted your own argument

If you are that worried about it negotiate it in your next pay discussion... just don't be surprised if wanting 14 weeks paid parental leave available to you reduces the size of your package.

Except that Parental leave is paid by the IRD, not the company. I pay my taxes - I'm just wanting the same rights to raise my child as my partner has, yah know - that whole 'equality' thing - I mean, if your argument is that we should treat Men and Women differently because women have children, you may as well be saying we should keep them barefoot and pregnant (afterall, that IS the logical extreme of your position)

Another Fun fact:

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=2375926

Women consume more in public resources (tax) than they contribute - and yet somehow Feminists think that society oppresses women, despite the fact that it is Men who have to pay to maintain the choices of Women.

[WristTwister]

Parental leave can be paid to the mother or primary carer (father or not-maternal mother). If parental leave is biased at all, it's biased against those people who will not have their own children.

Transferring your paid parental leave to your spouse or partner

You can transfer your PPL to your spouse or partner, as long as they also qualify for PPL from their employer (s) or self-employment.
[Source: IRD Website]

What's with the idea that women have it sooo good? Is it because we get more support in society than men; like rape crisis or women's refuge?

[jonbuoy]

It's a bit unfair to single women out for getting extras at childbirth - it's supposed to be a mutual decision and responsibility. Here's a controversial idea- how about (as a couple) not breeding without thinking about the impact it will have on your career and income. If fathers want maternity leave too - save up and take unpaid leave when you have a child. Everyone has the right to reproduce - we just shouldn't do it without looking at the long term consequences, and we shouldn't expect other people to step in and offer "freebies" because you (as a couple) decided to breed and now realise you can't afford to look after them.

And don't whinge that your career has been damped down because you can't work late or do weekends anymore or expect the people who don't have children to do all the unsociable hours. I will add it's a lot easier for fathers to walk away from their responsibilities and start a new life leaving a family behind. I have very little sympathy for people paying large child support sums - unless they were trapped by someone deliberately getting pregnant.

[Big Dog]

Do we as fathers then not have the right to be present at our childrens most critical stage of development - when they first experience life?



And who then looks after her if (as you say) she is unable to walk/look after a child? Seems like you have refuted your own argument



Except that Parental leave is paid by the IRD, not the company. I pay my taxes - I'm just wanting the same rights to raise my child as my partner has, yah know - that whole 'equality' thing - I mean, if your argument is that we should treat Men and Women differently because women have children, you may as well be saying we should keep them barefoot and pregnant (afterall, that IS the logical extreme of your position)

Another Fun fact:

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=2375926

Women consume more in public resources (tax) than they contribute - and yet somehow Feminists think that society oppresses women, despite the fact that it is Men who have to pay to maintain the choices of Women.

We have the right. We just have to accept it will impact our income.
Damn straight she will need help.
Traditionally this was provided by "the village", usually by the parents of the new mum. Modern era most grandma's are still working or cbf.
In recent decades men have been taking a more active role in that first period.
Mum still needs help with meals, washing up, nappies, bathing, more nappies, someone to talk to that uses words, more nappies and generally making her available for feeding.
There is evidence that your presence makes a difference to the child in the first 48 when smell is everything. Beyond that it is about you and your spouse, not your child. Your child only needs some interaction daily. Not even a fixed amount. More quality that time is the less they need.


Of course you should be able to stay at home and play with your child for the next 20 years but someone has to pay the bills... and there are a lot of them.
Much like chipsets the bills double about every 2 years.

I would love to stay at home and look after the kids while my wife goes and earns the bacon... but if that were the case there would be a lot less bacon.

My wife hasn't had a job in 8 years, but she often works harder than me... just don't tell her that.

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[Akzle]

. Schools are prisons for subhuman scum. People finish school and may or may not start to become human.

or they completely devolve and become lawyers, jews, politicians, or otherwise cunts...

[Akzle]

Same - my contention is that Feminism is not for Equality.

must spread, apparently. and i dont even remember the last one.
shit's succinct, and i'm all about succinct.

What's with the idea that women have it sooo good? Is it because we get more support in society than men; like rape crisis or women's refuge?

according to whom? the gripe is women pissing and moaning they they DON'T.
y'know, instead of just geting the fuck on with shit like grown ups.

[TheDemonLord]

Parental leave can be paid to the mother or primary carer (father or not-maternal mother). If parental leave is biased at all, it's biased against those people who will not have their own children.

But it is assigned to the Mother. There is no allowance for the Father, unless the Mother deigns it.

Compare to say Sweden where collectively Parents are allocated a total of 480 days, of which 90 days is dedicated to both the Mother and Father

What's with the idea that women have it sooo good? Is it because we get more support in society than men; like rape crisis or women's refuge?

Lets see...

You live longer than Men
You have a disproportionate amount spent on your health care than men (look at the dollar figure amounts spent on Breast cancer Vs Prostate cancer - despite both killing about the same amount of people a year)
You have special interest groups that have social and political clout that are taken seriously when they raise an issue.
You have Rape crisis and Womens Refuge centres - If as a Man I got Raped (or sexually assaulted by a Woman, because it is impossible for a woman to Rape a man in NZ) - where do I go? None of the crisis centres accept Men. The DV shelters in AKL - there are 8 of them - guess how many offer assistance to Men? Zero. And yet - various studies show that Men get abused by their partners at about the same rates that women do.
You have special scholarships and university courses designed specifically with you in mind, to the exclusion of Men, despite the fact that Women are entering higher education in larger numbers than Men.
You have the right to keep your children as the de-facto arrangement after a divorce/seperation without having to pay several thousand dollars for a 10% chance to gain custody of your own damned Children.
You have the right to opt out of Parenthood after the fact with no regard for the Fathers input.
You also have the right to fleece the income of the Father (who has no say in your decision to keep the child or not) for 18 years, with no measures put in place to ensure that income is spent on the child.
You have the right to avoid Prison when committing a crime, when compared to a Man (all other factos being equal - women go to prison about 40% of the time when compared to Men,)
You have the right to lower insurance premiums (can you imagine the outrage if Men decided to tax women more because they cost more....)
You have the right to Women-only spaces, without someone demanding that you admit men on the grounds of 'equality'
You have the right to keep your labia and clitoris and not worry about bits of your genitals being hacked off (without a sound medical reason) thanks to some barbaric and ancient customs.
You have groups lobbying for you to entire high paid, safe, influential and socially prestigious jobs (which are typically dominated by men) without the responsibility of entering the low paid, dangerous, forgotten and socially stigmatized jobs.

Shall I go on?

[Katman]

I'm beginning to understand how there can be such bitterness between races.

Clearly some of us are that fucking regressive that they can't even get on with the other gender.