NOT GOOD, Worst deaths in 19 years

**old slider** · 1st January 2017, 13:16

Originally Posted by AllanB

Who said group rides are not fun:

That is brilliant to watch, lol obviously no alcohol is allowed watching that dude wearing the German helmet? throwing it away multiple times with the other fruit cake also wearing a German helmet.

**Berries** · 1st January 2017, 16:42

Originally Posted by KawasakiKid

I don't think you will ever get exact details about the type of bike, cruisers sports or whatever so we can only surmise.

See post #117. If I could be arsed I could post those details but I don't think it would add anything to the discussion. It's the rider, not the bike IMHO.

**KawasakiKid** · 1st January 2017, 16:58

Originally Posted by Berries

See post #117. If I could be arsed I could post those details but I don't think it would add anything to the discussion. It's the rider, not the bike IMHO.

Saw that, presume they are the deaths ??? means very little in the big scheme of things. To get a pattern, you need data on all crashes, injury or not. Many will not even be reported

**FJRider** · 1st January 2017, 17:08

Originally Posted by cassina

Maybe crusiers should be banned from NZ roads due to their inability to handle tight NZ bends.

Consider ... when the number of Cruisers on the road and the number of deaths of riders on this style of motorcycle are compared ... your claims seem somewhat exaggerated ...

**FJRider** · 1st January 2017, 17:16

Originally Posted by KawasakiKid

Saw that, presume they are the deaths ??? means very little in the big scheme of things. To get a pattern, you need data on all crashes, injury or not. Many will not even be reported

Remember ... the link provided in the first post of this thread ... was for the year of 2015.

**R650R** · 1st January 2017, 19:24

As if things couldn't get worse http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...l-figures-show

The damn lycra brigade have out shone us....

So what are they doing different??? No ACC leveis and ytrainign course for them anway.....

**Berries** · 1st January 2017, 19:54

Originally Posted by KawasakiKid

Saw that, presume they are the deaths ???

Yes, as per the thread and the question I was replying to.

means very little in the big scheme of things. To get a pattern, you need data on all crashes, injury or not. Many will not even be reported

Well, we are knackered if people want to know how many unreported crashes there were and what bikes were involved. Somewhere in the bowels of KB are some more detailed posts I made on the reported crash data for motorbikes. Will post a link if I can find it.

Here's one. Posts 98 and 155 on this thread have a bit more info on 2015 fatal and serious injury crashes - https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...post1130975089

I did have the full list of bikes involved somewhere as well.

**KawasakiKid** · 1st January 2017, 21:46

Originally Posted by Berries

Yes, as per the thread and the question I was replying to.

Well, we are knackered if people want to know how many unreported crashes there were and what bikes were involved. Somewhere in the bowels of KB are some more detailed posts I made on the reported crash data for motorbikes. Will post a link if I can find it.

Here's one. Posts 98 and 155 on this thread have a bit more info on 2015 fatal and serious injury crashes - https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/s...post1130975089

I did have the full list of bikes involved somewhere as well.

Don't go to trouble on my behalf, I have no interest in the bike variation. I was merely suggesting to be any use at all, statistics need to be as complete as possible.

It's mainly about training riders, you will never succeed in training non riders to have full awareness of motorcycles

**swbarnett** · 1st January 2017, 22:03

Originally Posted by R650R

As if things couldn't get worse http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...l-figures-show

The damn lycra brigade have out shone us....

So what are they doing different???

For one thing they're getting copious cycleways thrown at them (in the Auckland CBD at least) because TPTB have understandably given up trying (not that they ever really did) to get car drivers to respect the right of a cyclist to use the road.

**pritch** · 5th January 2017, 12:36

Originally Posted by cassina

Often if I have no traffic in front of me with a lot of traffic coming towards I will slow down and ride as much to the left as possible in case someone trys an overtake.

Like others I may regret responding. Again, like others, I took you off ignore, but this thread leads me to think that will be very temporary. Having read this far I don't recall anything you've said that actually made sense.

The basic rule of road placement is "dominate your lane". If you don't do that you are inviting overtakes from oncoming as well as following traffic. As various potential threats appear you should change position, but then you return to the dominant position. What you are espousing is downright dangerous.

On banning Harleys, I have no expertise, I've never ridden one. Although I have ridden metric cruisers. Like (almost) everyone else though, I do know that they lack cornering clearance so I'd have to adjust my riding style.

On returning riders, a woman with whom I worked told me that her husband had just bought a bike after a break of many years, a metric cruiser. I asked her if he might like to read one of the books in my small library of riding related texts.

"No thanks he'll work it out for himself."

Couple of weeks later I asked how he was doing.

"He crashed"

"What happened?"

"A dog ran out."

Now there could be several reasons why he crashed when most others wouldn't, but I still feel that a book may have helped. Even if you know quite a lot, in the event of some sudden drama on the road you get about a third of a second to decide what you are going to do. Best not be trying to remember something from thirty years ago.

It isn't about fear. It's about risk assessment and risk management. Many people have no grasp of these concepts though, f'rinstance there are smokers who worry about terrorism.

You commented that it didn't matter if only one person disagreed with your posts. I'd suggest that the amount of red by your name indicates that he was not alone?

Happy New Year

**AllanB** · 5th January 2017, 12:41

A returning rider crashed. A dog ran out his wife says ...... I'd bet a craft beer that there was not a dog but it was a good excuse to tell the wife .....

What cock would suggest banning cruisers (HD's) ? Fucks sake. Real world please people.

**pritch** · 5th January 2017, 12:54

Originally Posted by AllanB

A returning rider crashed. A dog ran out his wife says ...... I'd bet a craft beer that there was not a dog but it was a good excuse to tell the wife .....

What cock would suggest banning cruisers (HD's) ? Fucks sake. Real world please people.

On the dog, I was not that cynical, but on reflection you may well be right.

On who would ban Harleys? One guess. 'Real world' may be unexplored territory in the case of that individual.

**russd7** · 5th January 2017, 19:01

Originally Posted by Berries

It is a valid question, you just have to ask the right person and hope they think the same. There is also some work involved because the crash data has some big holes in it. Like it might just list Honda as the bike, or it might be Honda CBR, or Honda CBR900, or Honda 900, or Honda Fireblade etc etc. Someone would need to manually enter the registration numbers to get the true details. And obviously if it is a Honda CR for example there will be no number plate.

And then would it help? All bikes can go too fast in to a left hand corner, cross the centre line and the rider get killed by an oncoming vehicle. The only thing I see is that it can happen at lower speeds on lardy old cruisers perhaps being ridden by lardy old riders.

It might actually be an interesting exercise to look at motorbike loss of control on curve crashes to see if there is commonality between make and model types. I suspect you would get the same result as I posted earlier with Harleys at the top. Is this due to them being agricultural vehicles that can't turn corners, the riders being sunny weather unfit old bastards with white goatees who cannot ride or a reflection of the popularity of the worlds most famous two wheeled marque? The data won't answer that, just continue to stir it up. And unlikely to answer the age old question regarding the Suzuki Boulevard. Why?

you might find that harleys fare badly due more to the fact that mister mid lifer goes out and buys a big cruiser (ie harley) after not having ridden a bike for 30 yr or more rather than the fact that "harley's don't go round corners", any bike can and will corner at speed with a confident and competent pilot.

i bought a goldwing for two reasons, A: for comfort for the missus and B: in an effort to slow me down before i lose my licence, ok it doesn't corner as quick as the zzr or the latest of sports bikes but i also don't get left behind or hold many people up on it either, its as akzle said earlier, just gotta give it some more coal.

**AllanB** · 5th January 2017, 19:10

Originally Posted by R650R

As if things couldn't get worse http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...l-figures-show

The damn lycra brigade have out shone us....

So what are they doing different??? No ACC leveis and ytrainign course for them anway.....

They don't count - fuckers don't pay rego and associated ACC fees to ride a bicycle. Indeed one could then argue that they may cost the taxpayer MORE than a motorcyclist as ignoring deaths (sadness), there are no doubt a shit load of cycle injuries and not one rider contributes directly to ACC .......

I'd like to see those wanky, Lycra clad group riders wearing number plates so I can report the ignorant fuckers.

I just don't get it - most of the fuckers are my age (early 50's) but pull on their vege and bean exposing (or lack of) lycra suits then ride their carbon cycles like ignorant dumb fucks .....

Hmmmm, maybe they are the ones doing the same on alternative weekends pulling on leathers and helmet .....