NOT GOOD, Worst deaths in 19 years

[jonbuoy]

Like others I may regret responding. Again, like others, I took you off ignore, but this thread leads me to think that will be very temporary. Having read this far I don't recall anything you've said that actually made sense.

The basic rule of road placement is "dominate your lane". If you don't do that you are inviting overtakes from oncoming as well as following traffic. As various potential threats appear you should change position, but then you return to the dominant position. What you are espousing is downright dangerous.

On banning Harleys, I have no expertise, I've never ridden one. Although I have ridden metric cruisers. Like (almost) everyone else though, I do know that they lack cornering clearance so I'd have to adjust my riding style.

On returning riders, a woman with whom I worked told me that her husband had just bought a bike after a break of many years, a metric cruiser. I asked her if he might like to read one of the books in my small library of riding related texts.

"No thanks he'll work it out for himself."

Couple of weeks later I asked how he was doing.

"He crashed"

"What happened?"

"A dog ran out."

Now there could be several reasons why he crashed when most others wouldn't, but I still feel that a book may have helped. Even if you know quite a lot, in the event of some sudden drama on the road you get about a third of a second to decide what you are going to do. Best not be trying to remember something from thirty years ago.

It isn't about fear. It's about risk assessment and risk management. Many people have no grasp of these concepts though, f'rinstance there are smokers who worry about terrorism.

You commented that it didn't matter if only one person disagreed with your posts. I'd suggest that the amount of red by your name indicates that he was not alone?

Happy New Year

If you can´t swallow your pride and accept that you don´t know everything you shouldn't be riding or driving on the roads, top racers pick new techniques up from each other, Police forces around the world share high speed training tips.

[george formby]

If you can´t swallow your pride and accept that you don´t know everything you shouldn't be riding or driving on the roads, top racers pick new techniques up from each other, Police forces around the world share high speed training tips.

Nice. An attitude of constant improvement rather than plain, old, attitude.

Speaking of which. Did the vid of the members filtering through the roadworks and collecting a cone make it to this thread?

In those immortal words. "Some men, you just can't reach."

[awayatc]

Ahhh, I think It would be more interesting to get cassina evaluated by "other" professionals (Lets not waste poor Rastiscats time....hes just a riding instructor!, and he is already WELL aware of cassinas...errr...issues!)


is ok cassina...we can spot our own!

Casino and the likes make me re-visit if I should still
wave at other bikers on the road......

[george formby]

Casino and the likes make me re-visit if I should still
wave at other bikers on the road......

Some of the riding I see has me thinking about more appropriate gestures. What would be the best way to indicate to another rider - "get back on your side of the road you habitual fuck knuckle"?

[AllanB]

but they have jobs, and cars too, so they DO pay acc.

Not 'user pays' though.


I have a job, cars, trailer but still pay motorcycle ACC as well.


Maybe they should deduce what sexuality has the highest risk of early health conditions and ACC then higher ........

Or sports .....

Or pay a ACC levy each time you go swimming to the beach.

Hmm - I'm getting into la-la-land now.

Or am I?

[Moi]

Some of the riding I see has me thinking about more appropriate gestures. What would be the best way to indicate to another rider - "get back on your side of the road you habitual fuck knuckle"?

This?



On a more serious note: good to see some police are being proactive...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11777349

[Akzle]

Not 'user pays' though.

which acc was never intended to be.

you're talking about jewsurance.

[James Deuce]

Casino and the likes make me re-visit if I should still
wave at other bikers on the road......

She's why I finally stopped.

[Akzle]

If you think riding to the left when a lot of cars are coming the other way is dangerous I think centre line hugging that a lot of riders do is dangerous.

well, science would be against you, being that "other riders" dont crash a dozen times.

also, if you deign to read, no-one suggested "centre line hugging"

Good luck if you think reading a book will save you and I would have read one too if shit had happened to me as slow as they say in your book.

i'm pretty sure it's you that's slow

Unlike you my sympathies go out to the mate of yours that hit the dog as I have been there myself and unless you have too you will never understand.

yeah you've been there. repeatedly.

just lets confirm:
you're surprised that people who rack up hundreds of thousands of kilometers more than you, ride into shit less than you?

or that you're really unlucky?

going to take me up on that offer of a professional assessment?

[awayatc]

If there were instructions on how to breathe she'd be dead a long time...

[Berries]

It's funny. On some long straights with lots of oncoming traffic behind a slow vehicle and nothing behind me I will often try and ride to the left of the lane to allow/invite people to overtake towards me. Always good to get a wave from a car driver.

[Berries]

you might find that harleys fare badly due more to the fact that mister mid lifer goes out and buys a big cruiser (ie harley) after not having ridden a bike for 30 yr or more rather than the fact that "harley's don't go round corners", any bike can and will corner at speed with a confident and competent pilot.

As much as anything it is a numbers game. At weekends around here the number of sports bikes on the road are outnumbered by Harleys so it is not hard to accept they would have a higher crash involvement. For many they would appear to be a a leisure activity which means irregular use and thus rusty skills so if the shit does hit the fan, say a dog runs out, the rider is less well equipped to get away with it. Any brand or type of bike can fall in to this category, it just seems there are more HD's on the road with the branded rider living the dream.

How old are you when a mid life crisis hits anyway? Looking at some of the santa beards that seem to come connected with the piss pot helmets that are worn on these motorsickles it would appear more an end of life crisis. Which brings us right back to the point of the thread.

[pritch]

Good luck if you think reading a book will save you and I would have read one too if shit had happened to me as slow as they say in your book. Unlike you my sympathies go out to the mate of yours that hit the dog as I have been there myself and unless you have too you will never understand.

Well learning by reading books is less painful than learning by crashing. As someone already commented, experience usually comes just after you needed it.

I didn't read "a book", I have about forty of them. There are race annuals and rider biographies but maybe fifteen or so relate to riding skills. There is a lot of knowledge in those books and it doesn't all stick so sometimes I revisit them. There would be more books but over the years I have given some away to new riders.

You are having trouble with comprehension again. I did not say anyone hit a dog. "A dog ran out." I have no idea whether he hit the dog, fell off trying to avoid the dog, or if indeed the dog was fictional as someone else suggested.

I first learned to ride in 1959, since then a number of dogs "ran out". So far I've managed to avoid them. (Fingers crossed.) I do know though that you are supposed to release the brake before impact, although hopefully I will not need to use that knowledge.

This morning I came across something on rider safety by Nick Ienatch and he specifically mentions situational awareness giving you more time. If you are riding along in your own cozy inattentive little bubble though, things will seem to happen very quickly. I'll post the item in another thread if I can find it, for the benefit of people who can actually read.

[ellipsis]

...Cassina is nothing more than ignorant and probably a danger to other road users...trying to talk sense to her is a waste of time...she is every bit as dangerous as the clowns who strive to keep up with the lead riders in a group and she has obviously never ever learned a thing about riding skills or her own inadequacies in life...stop feeding it and it may just fuck off...I doubt it though, because like the petulant child, she must keep talking to just prove that she is still here...if she carries on with her riding style she may just become a statistic herself, but the sick laws of life generally mean the fucks who cause the shit usually get away with it...blindness cannot be cured...

[nzspokes]

At a guess the average street is 5 to 6m wide. A dog side on would be no more than 1m wide and a motorcycle about 800mm wide.

Look at it that way and its not easy to hit the dog unless you have target fixation.

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