NOT GOOD, Worst deaths in 19 years

[nzspokes]

No not as styley as perhaps those that like to touch the road with their knees when cornering or have the ablity to "keep up" on a group ride but I may just live longer than those guys.

The local dog population is not fairing so well though......

[AllanB]

My guess would be most guys that would come to grief would be on either cruisers or sports bikes.

Ah, you are most likely correct as you have named the two most popular styles road bikes!


The nakeds (for want of another name as 'standard' no longer applies as many are far from standard!) are making a big comeback

[swbarnett]

I have been riding without a mid life crisis break since 1976 so possibly know more about riding than many of my attackers on here.

You hypocrite. First you claim that it only takes a year to learn to ride and nothing more can be learned. Then you turn around and say that the number of years you've been riding past that first year makes you a more knowledgeable rider.

I just perhaps have a different style that they can not comprehend.

Yeah, one that keeps you running into things. It's actually you that doesn't comprehend. You don't know enough to know what you don't know.

If I was so wrong with my theories I would be long dead by now.

There are literally millions of people that live a long life on "luck" alone in the blissful ignorance that what they believe is complete and utter bullshit. Why should you be any different?

[caseye]

Just make those who cause crashes pay a higher ACC premium on their registration. If that does not motivate people to drive/ride safer nothing will unless maybe they make far more motoring offenses jailable.

You'd be one of the first ones to find that They could NOT afford to ride, by your own admission!


Either we all pay the same levy or we don't, you start messing with what is paid, you screw, OH Wait, that's right this mob have done just that and look wheres it's getting us. More deaths than ever before.


Make comprehensive Insurance Premiums payable as part of your Registrtion. It doesn't have to be expensive, if every licenced driver paid the same amount ONCE per year for any vehicle they drove/rode, operated, it'd work out relatively inexpensive overall.


No Rego, No Warrantable Vehicle, No Insurance, No ACC Cover."


No in depth actual fact reporting, just mass hysteria, Facts please and stop saying motorcyclists are over represented, there are now more than 6 times as many riders on our roads as there was when figures were last assimilated.
Not to say we're not killing ourslevs at a great rate of knots, we are.
Done over 2300K's in the last week, From Dorklnd to the Bottom, and back to the top ( Literally) of the North Island, worst shit I and wifey have seen is stupids pricks on bikes doing far too much and not giving a damn about their fellow road users.
Today we had to filter through Wellsford and Warkworth, took us about 5 - 10 mminute in both cases, cars had to take at least 1.5 hours to get through each place, most drivers moved over for us, we were not going stupid, just quietly idling through, those we spoke with (saying thanks etc) were brilliant, the police we passed waved us on, other motorcyclists roared through abusing people and forcing their way through, they got saluted and blocked in, causing bigger problems, I guess, we didn't stop to find out, why would we.
I'm not sure it's my advancing years or the numbers are actually as high as it seems but it's my considered opinion that there are more FOOLS on bikes out there than ever before.
Due in no uncertain part I'm sure to stupid advice given by stupid people about dangerous manouvers and behaviours, that most certainly should not be condoned or allowed to go unchecked in places like ours here.

[Ocean1]

My point being that we will never know because it will be forgotten about and just become another statistic for us to be beaten with. Rather than that why don't we take to opportunity to learn something, to learn what to do or what not to do in similar circumstances? Could save someone else.

There's a bunch of industries that have attempted to copy the aeronautical industry's well proven methodology over the years. The entire health industry for one.

The thing is you need to be open to the possibility that individual investigations AND the eventual historical data arising from them may not agree with you.

And a disturbing number of industry and govt leaders find that an insurmountable problem with the system...

[russd7]

My point being that we will never know because it will be forgotten about and just become another statistic for us to be beaten with. Rather than that why don't we take to opportunity to learn something, to learn what to do or what not to do in similar circumstances? Could save someone else.

yup understood that, but one would have to agree that by including what the cop said in the article it automatically lays the blame on the motorcyclist and now may be dragged up and used at a later date by anyone who wants to prove that "life is cheap to that sort".

now if the results of the ensuing investigation were to be published and it came out that there was some other cause beyond the riders control then the previous article could be debunked, therefor it is not in the best interest of media or those against motorcycling to have those results published

[russd7]

Ah, you are most likely correct as you have named the two most popular styles road bikes!


The nakeds (for want of another name as 'standard' no longer applies as many are far from standard!) are making a big comeback

based on previous assumptions made by he/she who knows all must therefor mean that we should all go out and buy naked bikes to be safe

[FJRider]

An awful lot don't realise that only luck prevented them ending up in a tangle of steel and flesh...

An awful lot DO have that ... um ... skill ....

It does help keep the ACC levies down though ...

[FJRider]

No not as styley as perhaps those that like to touch the road with their knees when cornering or have the ablity to "keep up" on a group ride but I may just live longer than those guys.

With your admitted riding record and admitted skill level and demonstrated knowledge of motorcycling ... you might.


If you do not ride a motorcycle.

[FJRider]

Type of bike where the rider is at fault would be interesting to know too. My guess would be most guys that would come to grief would be on either cruisers or sports bikes.

There are many accidents involving Holden and Toyota sedans ... perhaps an increased ACC levy for those owners too ....

[Blackbird]

Type of bike where the rider is at fault would be interesting to know too. My guess would be most guys that would come to grief would be on either cruisers or sports bikes.

I would like to know of those who came to grief, how many had taken some form of upskilling in (say) the last 2 or 3 years. The result might be quite telling.

Coincidentally, I had an email a few days ago from a friend in Geelong. He pointed me to this article: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/go...01-gtkh80.html

I was extremely surprised at the percentage of unlicensed machines and unregistered riders in the stats. Probably not the people who would take well to upskilling or self-criticism either.

[ellipsis]

It would be a boring site if we all had the same theories about riding. I have been riding without a mid life crisis break since 1976 so possibly know more about riding than many of my attackers on here. I just perhaps have a different style that they can not comprehend. If I was so wrong with my theories I would be long dead by now.

...hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaa...oh, fuck me with a nine foot barge pole, that is a funny post...you're a fucking comedian too...

[FJRider]

Following a truck, while they block your vision ... they will (and not you) be wearing a head on if a muppet coming the other way decides to cross the centre line. So there is pros and cons with all riding school theory and you may note another poster has found riding school theory less than ideal for them as well. As for not liking my posts why the hell do you waste your time responding to them muppet?

A good theory ... but ...

If your vision is blocked, you will not see that car and know the truck will soon come to a very sudden stop ... which (usually) will block the entire road ahead of you and leave you nowhere to go. Surprisingly ... a motorcycle doing a nose to tail with a truck (even on a good day) is usually painful.

[ellipsis]

A good theory ... but ...

If your vision is blocked, you will not see that car and know the truck will soon come to a very sudden stop ... which (usually) will block the entire road ahead of you and leave you nowhere to go. Surprisingly ... a motorcycle doing a nose to tail with a truck (even on a good day) is usually painful.

...draughting a HG Holden station wagon on a 10 Speed Healing is hard on your face when they stop suddenly, is too...I can vouch for that...

[ellipsis]

A good theory ... but ...

If your vision is blocked, you will not see that car and know the truck will soon come to a very sudden stop ... which (usually) will block the entire road ahead of you and leave you nowhere to go. Surprisingly ... a motorcycle doing a nose to tail with a truck (even on a good day) is usually painful.

...draughting a HG Holden station wagon on a 10 Speed Healing is hard on your face when they stop suddenly is too...I can vouch for that...