NOT GOOD, Worst deaths in 19 years

[AllanB]

...draughting a HG Holden station wagon on a 10 Speed Healing is hard on your face when they stop suddenly is too...I can vouch for that...

Ha - similar incident when younger but it was knackering myself on the bikes upper bar that I remember the most ...... probably why I never made it near six foot in height.

[FJRider]

... but those that happen on private property should not be counted as "bike accident" by ACC for statistical purposes.

Motorcycles involved an an accident (anywhere) alone or with another vehicle (including cars)... are counted as motorcycle accidents.

[caspernz]

Fatal on the Crown Range yesterday - https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/queenstown/lifesaving-efforts-no-avail. This will be forgotten about in a couple of days by everyone bar family and witnesses. But what happened? The story and photo don't make for good reading.

If MSAC are reading this then perhaps they should consider a page on their website where the latest fatal or serious injury crash is dissected. The Civil Aviation Authority do it - https://www.caa.govt.nz/safety-info/...ident-reports/ so I can't see why they can't put my money to use helping me learn from other people's mistakes rather than targeting the limited number of riders on the Coro Loop or Rimutaka Hill. If all it manages to do is highlight that our safety is in our own hands and not some random car driver that would be a good start.

Absolutely, I'm all for having some form of incident reporting made public, not from a morbid fascination but in an effort to not repeat someone else's mistake. But until safety is taken seriously...

I agree about removing off-road crashes and those on farms involving either bikes or quads, but I somehow doubt ACC will do that. However, I do wonder if the crash in Cromwell you reference was a true off-road crash? Was he just being a fool on an off-road bike after a few too many drinks? Perhaps harsh but true if what was reported is to be believed: speed, alcohol and no helmet contributed to his death.

If we, as a country, are serious about reducing the road toll then we have to be serious about driving and riding, serious about talking about what caused the death/injury and serious about doing something about it. Until that happens the "she'll be right, mate" attitude will prevail.

Yes, the perception is that the road going guys cop the most flack, and we don't know with certainty how many are actually off-road incidents.

if ya read the article it pretty much states what happened, what it doesn't state is how he came to be on the wrong side of the road so therefor conclusions are jumped to

The downside is that without the accident report it's too much of an assumption for my thinking.

Make comprehensive Insurance Premiums payable as part of your Registrtion. It doesn't have to be expensive, if every licenced driver paid the same amount ONCE per year for any vehicle they drove/rode, operated, it'd work out relatively inexpensive overall.

No Rego, No Warrantable Vehicle, No Insurance, No ACC Cover."

I'm not sure it's my advancing years or the numbers are actually as high as it seems but it's my considered opinion that there are more FOOLS on bikes out there than ever before.
Due in no uncertain part I'm sure to stupid advice given by stupid people about dangerous manouvers and behaviours, that most certainly should not be condoned or allowed to go unchecked in places like ours here.

No insurance, no rego, no licence, my perception this isn't treated as a serious offence in NZ. In my home country any of these three would soon see you lose the vehicle you're caught on/with. The right vs privilege to operate a vehicle is at play here.

There's a bunch of industries that have attempted to copy the aeronautical industry's well proven methodology over the years. The entire health industry for one.

The thing is you need to be open to the possibility that individual investigations AND the eventual historical data arising from them may not agree with you.

And a disturbing number of industry and govt leaders find that an insurmountable problem with the system...

The funny thing is that in my industry there's a tendency to misrepresent, or sweep under the carpet, some of the things that are likely to be "inconvenient" for TPTB down the track. Sad, but that's life I guess...

I would like to know of those who came to grief, how many had taken some form of upskilling in (say) the last 2 or 3 years. The result might be quite telling.

Coincidentally, I had an email a few days ago from a friend in Geelong. He pointed me to this article: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/go...01-gtkh80.html

I was extremely surprised at the percentage of unlicensed machines and unregistered riders in the stats. Probably not the people who would take well to upskilling or self-criticism either.

Too right, knowing whether someone had worked on improving their skills in recent years, would make for interesting accident statistics over the long term. It's a shame really that accident stats are lacking in sufficient detail for them to be used in a preventative manner.

Unlicensed riders and/or bikes annoys me personally, for I make it a point to stay legal, regardless of whether I like it or not. But yeah, the group of riders who are resistant to upskilling...oh boy, there's some Darwin Award candidates in that lot.

[george formby]

A good theory ... but ...

If your vision is blocked, you will not see that car and know the truck will soon come to a very sudden stop ... which (usually) will block the entire road ahead of you and leave you nowhere to go. Surprisingly ... a motorcycle doing a nose to tail with a truck (even on a good day) is usually painful.

There is a photo on the webs of a rider who ended up with his head jammed into the back of a truck, sudden braking issue I suspect. The truck kept on rolling, oblivious. In the photo of the deceased, he has no feet..... Some ride.

[Akzle]

I was extremely surprised at the percentage of unlicensed machines and unregistered riders in the stats. Probably not the people who would take well to upskilling or self-criticism either.

not at all. choosing not to register or license shit is just that, a choice. i take advantage of any opportunity to upskill myself (in anything) and, this will shock you, am no stranger to criticism.

I have said I have been in crashes not caused them. There is a big difference which you may or may not comprehend.

the fact that you can be in a dozen, and still don't think your doing it wrong...

bad luck eh sport?

[caspernz]

There is a photo on the webs of a rider who ended up with his head jammed into the back of a truck, sudden braking issue I suspect. The truck kept on rolling, oblivious. In the photo of the deceased, he has no feet..... Some ride.

There's also the chance that the biker's speed differential to the 18 wheeler was of the order of 2 or 3, but the end result is much the same. Quite a sobering photo, if it's the one I'm thinking of, no full size coffin required

[Moi]

Motorcycles involved an an accident (anywhere) alone or with another vehicle (including cars)... are counted as motorcycle accidents.

That's part of the problem, from my perspective. If Farmer Joe comes off his farm bike out the back of his farm and injuries himself - not killed, just injured - then as far as ACC is concerned, as far as I am aware, that is a bike accident and is included with all other bike accidents whether they occurred on a public road or not, thus it affects the levy that we pay. That's the problem...

Farmer Joe's accident should be attributed to "farm accidents" rather than bike accidents...

[FJRider]

That's part of the problem, from my perspective. If Farmer Joe comes off his farm bike out the back of his farm and injuries himself - not killed, just injured - then as far as ACC is concerned, as far as I am aware, that is a bike accident and is included with all other bike accidents whether they occurred on a public road or not, thus it affects the levy that we pay. That's the problem...

Farmer Joe's accident should be attributed to "farm accidents" rather than bike accidents...

You can prove anything you want with statistics ... but only if you use the right statistics. Change the questions and you get a different result.

[T.W.R]

There is a photo on the webs of a rider who ended up with his head jammed into the back of a truck, sudden braking issue I suspect. The truck kept on rolling, oblivious. In the photo of the deceased, he has no feet..... Some ride.

The guy hit the truck at near 150mph they reckon....it was enough of an impact the helmet wedged into the alloy bin hanging the rider there like a rag doll. The truck was parked off the edge of the road near an off ramp, the impact actually moved the truck & the driver thought he'd been hit by another truck.
It was on ride2die.com

[Moi]

... No insurance, no rego, no licence, my perception this isn't treated as a serious offence in NZ. In my home country any of these three would soon see you lose the vehicle you're caught on/with. The right vs privilege to operate a vehicle is at play here ...

Many countries have that perception: driving/riding is a privilege not a right, they also take a far more serious attitude to driving and riding... certainly something we could do here, if we were serious about reducing the road toll and improving driving/riding standards.

Unlicensed riders and/or bikes annoys me personally, for I make it a point to stay legal, regardless of whether I like it or not. But yeah, the group of riders who are resistant to upskilling...oh boy, there's some Darwin Award candidates in that lot.

If you want to play the game then you need to follow the rules... or get off the field!

[Big Dog]

As for not liking my posts why the hell do you waste your time responding to them muppet?

How about because you erroneously construe it as support if we do not contradict you, citing a lack of complaints as proof we agree.
You can't have it both ways.

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[Big Dog]

It would be a boring site if we all had the same theories about riding. I have been riding without a mid life crisis break since 1976 so possibly know more about riding than many of my attackers on here. I just perhaps have a different style that they can not comprehend. If I was so wrong with my theories I would be long dead by now.

Or lucky.

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[MSTRS:Me]

...there are more FOOLS on bikes out there than ever before...

Haven't been on KB or posted for quite a while, but I have to respond to this, Caseye. There are more FOOLS on the roads than ever before, regardless of their chosen weapon. The scary thing is, every fkg one of those fools will claim they are a safe driver or rider - and it's "those idiots that are the real problem".

[FJRider]

That would assume i was tailgating the truck. Also trucks do not stop as sudden as cars which would give me more time to brake.

If you were close enough to the truck to not see the car .... you would be tailgating. Car truck head on's stop the trucks pretty quickly. You may not even see brake lights ..

The 2 second following distance at speeds of less than 90 km/hr isn't great.

[Madness]

The local dog population is not fairing so well though......

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