Nutty season on the roads

[roogazza]

There are times when I'm quite happy to do 80 to 90 in the car on the open road - haven't been that way for a while and want to have a "gaze-about" - but I do keep a very close watch on the mirrors and pull over to let others get on with their journey. Nice when a biker overtakes and acknowledges that you've moved over for them...

Yeah bud, always give a thankyou wave if people move over for me. In fact most are like that.
In the Falcooon tho, its harder to get by legally with the dreaded yellow no passing lines everywhere. Again the looks you get cruising by in the car is rarely appreciated by the road chicane with a death grip on the wheel.

[onearmedbandit]

How safely a vehicle can take bends does depend on the vehicle as well as the driver. I have read that most single bike crashes occur on bends so not all bikes are designed to handle bends at high speed either.

If you read my post again I was not only talking about bikes but the difference in the cornering ability of say a car compared to a 4WD to a truck or camper van. All do not have the same cornering ability.

In the post of yours I replied to you only mention bikes and that some are not designed to handle bends at high speeds. You make no mention of comparing cornering ability differences between varied modes of transportation. Seems you can't even understand your own posts, or what you type doesn't match with what you are thinking.

[Swoop]

Tell ya what shits me: people who can't maintain road speed,or do 80 in a 100,speed up in pass lanes n slow again after, dirty looks / horn blasts when i pass them.
It seems like if you overtake now you're a maniac ?

This is expected now.
The years of "social engineering" that the propaganda of "SPEED KILLS!!!!" has been rammed down the public's throats.
Fuckwitted cunt-monkeys lap this mental image up and need a time-out in their safe space since they feel so offended.

Fuckin' cock-wombles...

[5ive]

you are thinking.

You may be confusing logical thoughts, with strongly held opinions.

No amount of common sense replies, or facts, will induce critical thinking in this person...

[neels]

Saw a reasonable amount of idiocy during my fairly limited travels over the holidays, a couple of which could have ended very badly were it not for evasive action by other drivers.

I also dragged the crappy old caravan about the place a bit, and even though I was travelling at the prescribed 90kmh and catching up to other drivers I still took the opportunity to get out of the way wherever possible to let others pass, without committing the previously mentioned crimes of dropping wheels in the gravel or slowing where there is no opportunity to pass. There were a number of times that the tailgating dickhead behind wouldn't pass even when I was completely to the left of the marked lane with the left indicator on, such people get one chance and after that it's fuck them they can stay there.

[swbarnett]

I actually find the speed recomendations on bends a good guide for getting around them safely
and have not come to grief on a bend without them either. Never being under pressure to keep up or impress anyone helps me stay safe too. Maybe its only those that ignore the speed recomendations that need the schooling. Take notice of speed signs and you may not need the schooling either.

Yet another example of your complete lack of riding skill.

Those recommendations are actually for the "worst" vehicle driven by a poor driver.

[swbarnett]

Or maybe they have been put there due to crashes on those bends by people like you who take them faster otherwise why would there be any need for signage? No wonder you need to go to riding school to learn how to go around bends if you ignore the signage.

Considering how many corners have these signs there is no way that every one of them has a sufficient crash history to make this necessary. When these signs were initially erected the speed on them was determined by a ball on a curved track in the rear window of a test car.

Most corners can be quite safely taken quite a bit higher that the "recommended" speed. Under good conditions, with even a reasonably maintained vehicle and a semi-competant driver/rider, those signs can be read (roughly) as miles per hour. Only under poor conditions or for a POS vehicle or incompetant rider/driver do they need to be read in kph.

And for the record, it wouldn't worry me in the slightest if all of those signs disappeared overnight. I make my own assessment of every corner every time I go through it anyway.

[nzspokes]

Or maybe they have been put there due to crashes on those bends by people like you who take them faster otherwise why would there be any need for signage? No wonder you need to go to riding school to learn how to go around bends if you ignore the signage.

The yellow speed advisory signs are just that, an advisory for conditions being at there worst. This is why they are not black.

Further training is required.

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[MVnut]

I actually find the speed recomendations on bends a good guide for getting around them safely
and have not come to grief on a bend without them either. Never being under pressure to keep up or impress anyone helps me stay safe too. Maybe its only those that ignore the speed recomendations that need the schooling. Take notice of speed signs and you may not need the schooling either.

In the post of yours I replied to you only mention bikes and that some are not designed to handle bends at high speeds. You make no mention of comparing cornering ability differences between varied modes of transportation. Seems you can't even understand your own posts, or what you type doesn't match with what you are thinking.

Completely agree with the one armed man.

Let's take an example, a well known corner for those who ride to Akaroa. The 55k posted turn taken as a left hander outside the Blue Duck, ie heading back toward Tai Tapu from Little River. This as you know has a 55k advisory sign.....in your opinions (and please disregard any legal speed limit) what would be the highest speed to negotiate this left hander? Have some margin for error here if you wish. ..if it were a one lane racetrack, what do you think a top racer on a well prepared 1000cc production bike on road tyres could take the turn at?

My bet is that if you both answer, the 'numbers' will be very different.

I am not suggesting you should do this in practice, just your thoughts please ( so plod won't come knocking)

[pritch]

Only under poor conditions or for a POS vehicle or incompetant rider/driver do they need to be read in kph.

Well, we know where Cassina fits.

There is an exception that springs to mind, the really slow ones indicating 25kph or less do tend to mean what they say.

I have seen comments on KB by people claiming to do double the posted speed, I don't think I could actually do that, and if I did try I'd be much too busy to look at the bloody speedo. Your suggestion of reading them as mph is conservative and safely achievable by any competent rider. After taking into account the above-noted proviso of course.

[swbarnett]

So you guys who ignore those advisory signs really do so at your own peril.

No, we don't. We trust in our own judgement as to curvature and conditions. You're correct that if gravel etc. is present your corner speed should be lower. It's all a matter of keeping your eyes open and you brain on the job.

[swbarnett]

There was an article in the AA magazine where a tow truck driver was interviewed and he said most single motorcycle crashes were on bends.

This I would definitely believe.

... are on the wrong bike for the bend they are negotiating.

Not really any such thing as the wrong bike for the bend. Any bike can get around any bend, just a matter of riding to the conditions. A rider has to remember that one of the "conditions" is the bike itself.

[MVnut]

Completely agree with the one armed man.

Let's take an example, a well known corner for those who ride to Akaroa. The 55k posted turn taken as a left hander outside the Blue Duck, ie heading back toward Tai Tapu from Little River. This as you know has a 55k advisory sign.....in your opinions (and please disregard any legal speed limit) what would be the highest speed to negotiate this left hander? Have some margin for error here if you wish. ..if it were a one lane racetrack, what do you think a top racer on a well prepared 1000cc production bike on road tyres could take the turn at?

My bet is that if you both answer, the 'numbers' will be very different.

I am not suggesting you should do this in practice, just your thoughts please ( so plod won't come knocking)

What !!! no response from anybody ???.......should I suggest some 'numbers' ?

[TheDemonLord]

What !!! no response from anybody ???.......should I suggest some 'numbers' ?

Okay I'll bite (bearing in mind I've never ridden that road - so all figures are pulled from rectum)

Rossi, perfect day, MotoGP bike: 150 kph?

Good rider, good conditions, good bike etc.: I'll go with double plus 10 - so 120 kph for that corner

Average rider, average conditions, average bike: I'll go with 70-80 kph (this is what I would take most 55 indicated corners at)

Cassina: I'll go with 30 kph... At a stretch.

[caseye]

Okay I'll bite (bearing in mind I've never ridden that road - so all figures are pulled from rectum)

Rossi, perfect day, MotoGP bike: 150 kph?

Good rider, good conditions, good bike etc.: I'll go with double plus 10 - so 120 kph for that corner

Average rider, average conditions, average bike: I'll go with 70-80 kph (this is what I would take most 55 indicated corners at)

Cassina: I'll go with 30 kph... At a stretch.

Na! Yeah, Too Hi, they're much better than that at fucking off following traffic.