"New Seal" ....my arse...

[old slider]

Yeah, it seems like the difference between this and a proper job may just be the use of a decent roller.

I know nothing about resealing but there seems to be a huge difference between the sealing jobs on different roads, maybe its the temp of the tar or size or type of chip being used, one section of road I wish I had never come across was on the parapara a few years back, blackish loose chip which looked like it had been pre mixed with some sort of tar or sticky shit was being laid and left for public vehicles to roll in for them, destroyed my vehicles paint work with being showered not only from my own tyres, but "all other traffic" coming the other way, my discs brakes were squealing with all the chip getting lodged in them regardless of all the repeated stopping at every available rest area to back up trying to clear them. I believe its all cost and contractor experience related.

[oldiebutagoody]

Interesting thread, and from my own experiences very pertinent.

So just a question,..........who would be the most likely candidate to raise this issue at Council level around the country to get some sort of motorcycle awareness by roading contractors when doing resealing?

What org. motorcycle related has in the past or potentially in the future has put their hand up to tackle roading seal quality and hazards?

Thinking along the H&S lines, are contractors not responsible for ensuring they do not create a hazard for road users as part of their job, u know,......safety before productivity kinda thing?

When does real sloppy sealing work become a reckless disregard case?

Just some musings.

[Wheelie8]

Happens on the South Island too. Put me off riding for a while. Maybe that is the tactic.

[Hads]

They did just this on a hill section of the Akaroa highway, loose gravel for weeks. Once the cars had rolled it for them, they then painted the lines back on the road. It was at the first overtaking lane going up the hill to the hilltop on the Akaroa side.

[Swoop]

I'm perplexed with a local road which has had a "rehabilitation" done on it. Not just lay some new tarseal, but digging it up and fucking around for months, then laying some new tarseal.
One would expect the new surface to be "rather nice" but nooooooo.

It is worse than it was before the cockwombles attacked it with vast amounts of ratepayers money.

[Grumph]

Sadly the only incentive for local councils is to do the repair as cheaply as possible...Quality control is left to local ratepayer groups to moan loud enough that they might take notice.

Local to me we lost the excellent - and council owned - Sicon and the contracts went to HEB who would be the laziest and worst roading outfit I've ever seen.
When the situation gets out of control and HEB have shown they can't fix something...THEN we get Fulton Hogan - the pros down here anyway.

[Jin]

I'm perplexed with a local road which has had a "rehabilitation" done on it. Not just lay some new tarseal, but digging it up and fucking around for months, then laying some new tarseal.
One would expect the new surface to be "rather nice" but nooooooo.

It is worse than it was before the cockwombles attacked it with vast amounts of ratepayers money.

This wouldn't be east Coast road on the shore would it? Fuckers ripping up perfect tarseal and replacing with ripply uneven crap. Looks like out right fraud and theft of ratepayers money that road is being "repaired".

Same deal with the chipseal on the way to waipu cove. And sh16. And the road to maraitai. Cunts.

[Zedder]

Interesting thread, and from my own experiences very pertinent.

So just a question,..........who would be the most likely candidate to raise this issue at Council level around the country to get some sort of motorcycle awareness by roading contractors when doing resealing?

What org. motorcycle related has in the past or potentially in the future has put their hand up to tackle roading seal quality and hazards?

Thinking along the H&S lines, are contractors not responsible for ensuring they do not create a hazard for road users as part of their job, u know,......safety before productivity kinda thing?

When does real sloppy sealing work become a reckless disregard case?

Just some musings.

I'm not up with the likely candidate at Council level or org.motorcycle info but work on a do-it-yourself basis. For State Highways it's the NZTA, and local Councils for roads in their juristiction, apart from Auckland where it's the Auckland Motorways Alliance.

In terms of the reckless disregard scenario, IIRC there's been only one case in 2000 where a motorcyclist took a contractor to court and won. Otherwise, as far as I know due to a case in 1963, the ruling has been for no common law liabilty ie: negligence or private nuisance for roading authorities.

[Swoop]

This wouldn't be east Coast road on the shore would it? Fuckers ripping up perfect tarseal and replacing with ripply uneven crap. Looks like out right fraud and theft of ratepayers money that road is being "repaired".

Nope, not EC Rd. Out West.
I guess we all fall under the Auckland Cuntcil methodology of road repair...

For State Highways it's the NZTA, ... apart from Auckland where it's the Auckland Motorways Alliance.

The "motorway alliance" is only for the building of the tunnels and new interchange/roading improvements.

[Zedder]

The "motorway alliance" is only for the building of the tunnels and new interchange/roading improvements.

No it isn't, they operate and maintain the motorway system: https://www.nzta.govt.nz/projects/au...rway-alliance/

[Swoop]

No it isn't, they operate and maintain the motorway system: https://www.nzta.govt.nz/projects/au...rway-alliance/

My apologies. Confusing them with the Causeway Alliance. http://www.planning.org.nz/Folder?Ac...WARD_PURDY.pdf

Hopefully there is NO input from Auckland City Council with either group (to avoid the size of cock-ups only they can instigate).

[Zedder]

My apologies. Confusing them with the Causeway Alliance. http://www.planning.org.nz/Folder?Ac...WARD_PURDY.pdf

Hopefully there is NO input from Auckland City Council with either group (to avoid the size of cock-ups only they can instigate).

No problem.
I understand your feelings on Auckland Council, unfortunately they're part of it all under the Auckland Transport Alignment Project.