Lane splitting surprise.

[v twin]

I'd tap it.

True. Same probably tell everyone before they did to

[skippa1]

Yes, there is risk involved. I'm not denying that. What I'm saying is that there is no more risk for the the skilled rider than in many other activities that are not seen as dangerous.

I don't deny that there's an initial period (that varies from rider to rider) where the risk is higher than it is for novice car drivers. However, once sufficient skill and the correct attitude is obtained the rider is at no more risk of having an accident than the average car driver.

Fucken horse shit

[russd7]

Fucken horse shit

funny you should say that, i was busy reading this thread earlier and my pager went off so i put the laptop down and off i go, i live about 10km from the station, so im clipping along and i come up behind a commodore and this thing is sitting on the centre line so i back off, a car comes round a bend ahead and this fucken commodore started drifting over the centre line, i throw the anchor out and swerve to the left waiting for the carnage, luckily both cars realized what was happening and swerved away from each other and i dropped right back till i got to the turn off to the station.
coulda been a whole lot worse

[swbarnett]

Fucken horse shit

I said the risk is the same for a rider with sufficient skill and the correct attitude. I didn't say it can't happen. That's actually part of the attitude I'm talking about. I don't ride thinking it will never happen to me. Quite the opposite - I ride with the knowledge that it can happen to me so I need to take every reasonable step to mitigate that fact.

And just to re-iterate, I'm talking about the risk of having an accident in the first place, not the concequences should one occur.

[Roark]

Sounds pretty much the same as everywhere I've splitted.

Finnish law neither explicitly allows nor forbids splitting, and in practice it's tolerated but the cops can always fine you for unsafe driving if your ride like a dick. During rush hour traffic crawl on the main ring roads most drivers move over and are happy to let bikes past, but there's always someone who tries to block you. With plenty of lanes getting around them is not an issue.
In Scotland splitting worked a charm, the few times it was required in Edinburgh and Inverness. At the Isle of Man during the TT fortnight bikes had complete run of the place, with ad hoc bike lanes springing up even on regular two-lane roads, with slow lines of cars on the outside and 100+ km/h lines of bikes at the middle. No idea if it was legal, but it was allowed.
Then again in Spain, where splitting is SOP, some cunt decided to open his car door into a scooter splitting in front of me. The girl on the scooter was unhurt, but her scooter got an ugly scrape down the side. The guy in the car tried to grab her, but she escaped. Nobody in the surrounding mass of cars gave a fuck, and as I was on a rental Ducati with stupid expensive insurance deductible, I decided to avoid confronting the angry Spaniard as well.

I reckon splitting is as safe as any kind of riding, provided the speed difference isn't too big and you're not too close to the bike at front. Seen enough rear-end collisions and close calls to not want to put me and my bike between multi-ton mobile Facebook browsing boxes on wheels.

[skippa1]

I said the risk is the same for a rider with sufficient skill and the correct attitude. I didn't say it can't happen. That's actually part of the attitude I'm talking about. I don't ride thinking it will never happen to me. Quite the opposite - I ride with the knowledge that it can happen to me so I need to take every reasonable step to mitigate that fact.

And just to re-iterate, I'm talking about the risk of having an accident in the first place, not the concequences should one occur.

And just to re-iterate, I said

fucken horse shit

[swbarnett]

And just to re-iterate, I said

fucken horse shit

We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I don't know you or your riding style.

I know what happened to you as much as was said on KB. IIRC from what you've said the accident was definitely the other party's fault. What I don't know and wouldn't even presume to comment on is what your mindset was like at the time and whether you could've done anything to prevent it.

[Swoop]

While that is a dick move it's not as though they can't just reach over and push it back out again if it's on the drivers side.

If a rider can reach out to a car driver's mirror, they can easily pull their own mirrors in on their bike first!

[skippa1]

We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. I don't know you or your riding style.

I know what happened to you as much as was said on KB. IIRC from what you've said the accident was definitely the other party's fault. What I don't know and wouldn't even presume to comment on is what your mindset was like at the time and whether you could've done anything to prevent it.

My Mindset had 5/8 of fuck all to do with anything

[rastuscat]

Finnish law neither explicitly allows nor forbids splitting, and in practice it's tolerated but the cops can always fine you for unsafe driving if your ride like a dick. .

That's pretty much the situation here too.

[jafagsx250]

If a rider can reach out to a car driver's mirror, they can easily pull their own mirrors in on their bike first!

True. Or even putting theirs back in the right spot

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[awayatc]

True. Or even putting theirs back in the right spot

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You got to be kidding.....

I ride...

And I drive..

I don't touch other peoples vehicles including mirrors

Other people don't touch mine. ..

Not sure how I would react, but it wouldn't be pretty

[pritch]

What I don't know and wouldn't even presume to comment on is what your mindset was like at the time and whether you could've done anything to prevent it.

Enter Katman stage left?

[Swoop]

True. Or even putting theirs back in the right spot.

Nope. No need to because you don't touch their mirrors.
Fold your own bike's mirrors all you wish (have done this a few times on my bike while riding) to get through traffic.

[Cosmik de Bris]

Nope. No need to because you don't touch their mirrors.
Fold your own bike's mirrors all you wish (have done this a few times on my bike while riding) to get through traffic.

Damn Panigale!