Rodeos

[trufflebutter]

Yay another Katman provocation thread for him to assert his superiority. How much more tedious can this thread get?

You'll have to wait until his next post.... He seems as boring as bat shit but I do enjoy reading the inevitable responses of his dreary subjects.

[Akzle]

Don't know about Katman, but it's particularly relevant to me because I've recently come back from Canada and been around a major rodeo event with people who've both watched and taken part.

It was an education. I found it disturbing and probably pissed my Canadian friends off by saying so.

Only if you choose to view it that way.

oh, wouldn't pay heed to that old gay cunt. he just feels the need to say something so he can pretend to be relevant.

[Luckylegs]

Yay another Katman provocation thread for him to assert his superiority. How much more tedious can this thread get?

Are you serious? KM and TDL actually strung a coherant conversation/argument for a few posts...

Love your work guys

[Laava]

You'll have to wait until his next post.... He seems as boring as bat shit but I do enjoy reading the inevitable responses of his dreary subjects.

Some more of my boring lies about what a legend I am.

You called it TB!

[husaberg]

And in case anyone's making the same mistake as berkboy in thinking that I mean the calves literally go directly from the rodeo to the meat works, I'm speaking in a rather more general sense in that the meat works are their ultimate destination - as opposed to living out their lives frolicking in clover and sunshine.
Exactly how soon after their rodeo performance, is up for debate.

And further to the question earlier in the thread, "which is preferable, 10 minutes of stress and discomfort, or death?" the reality for the calves used in rodeos is that their next stop is usually the meat works.

So they get to be tormented before they're killed.

So by next stop you actually meant 12-15 months later, of course you did
Clearly its painfully obvious, you were actually talking about the animals being slaughtered immediately after,ie at their next stop ie er......like 12-15 months later later............

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Husaberg also made a very good point that often these Bans are instigated by people who little to no farming/big animal experience. .

Yes generally the SPCA whilst being well meaning are generally enthusiastic volunteers have little understanding of commercial large animal husbandry.
That is why the commercial farmng large animal role is handled by MAF enforcement.
Don't get me wrong the SPCA does a great job, but commercial farming is not their area of expertise, I note, they (the SPCA)also help MAF enforcement as does the Vet association and Biosecurity NZ.
Its is of course fine for them to give imput into regulations, as is for anyone else as well, but that has to be balanced with both experience and commercial reality.

Actually it raises a interesting point, tail docking regulations for dogs seems to lag behind cattle, i can see little benefit in how people dock dogs tails ,other than for so old fashioned breed aesthetic.
Why is there not loud noises for this to be banned?
Cattle

The Animal Welfare (Painful Husbandry Procedures) Code of Welfare 2005 limits tail shortening in cattle to the last two or three vertebrae of the tail. The NZVA policy on bovine tail shortening of cattle is in line with its policy (3b) that opposes physical alterations to the natural state of animals unless they are demonstrably necessary for the welfare of the animals concerned.
The practice of docking the tails of dairy cows was originally adopted to reduce contamination of both milking staff and cow udders. However, subsequent studies (Matthews et al 1995) found that leptospirosis and mastitis levels were no different in docked and undocked cows. The 2005 code has allowed switch removal “to improve comfort for milking personnel and enhance milking efficiency”, but recommends that alternative solutions are tried first. The NZVA is of the opinion that non-surgical alternatives are available in the form of regular cleaning and trimming of the hair in those few cows where this is a problem, especially now that automated tail trimmers are available.

Dogs

NZ Legalislation for Canine Docking
New Zealand Animal Welfare Act 1999
Animal Welfare (Dogs) Code of Welfare 2010

7.11.3 Tail docking

Voluntary tail docking, as opposed to tail docking performed to manage existing injury or disease, is performed in order to ensure that dogs meet breed standards, or because it is believed that it prevents damage from occurring to the tails of working dogs in particular situations, or to reduce soiling around the anus and tail. Tail docking of dogs is restricted or prohibited in several countries, including England, Wales, Scotland, Germany, Australia, Israel, Finland, Switzerland, Sweden and Norway.

Tails may be docked surgically by a veterinarian for therapeutic reasons, or by means of an elastic ligature or band that constricts blood supply (see Appendix II: Interpretation and definitions ‘tail band (tail banding)’ and ‘tail docking’) in accordance with the minimum standard below.

Tail docking is a painful procedure when performed on puppies older than four days of age. The method of removal may also influence the pain experienced. Veterinarians can provide advice on whether tail docking is needed for particular dogs.

[Laava]

Don't know about Katman, but it's particularly relevant to me because I've recently come back from Canada and been around a major rodeo event with people who've both watched and taken part.

It was an education. I found it disturbing and probably pissed my Canadian friends off by saying so.

Yet despite his endless threads about what is wrong with the world and anyone who disagrees with him, what does he actually do about it?

[Katman]

Yet despite his endless threads about what is wrong with the world and anyone who disagrees with him, what does he actually do about it?

Obviously one of the things I'm trying to do is prompt people to take a closer look at issues that I believe are important.

If you couldn't care less about an issue that I raise than I don't quite understand why you would even bother to come into the thread.

(Unless of course, you're just fixated on me).

[Katman]

NZ Veterinary Association's official statement on rodeos.

[Grumph]

Actually it raises a interesting point, tail docking regulations for dogs seems to lag behind cattle, i can see little benefit in how people dock dogs tails ,other than for so old fashioned breed aesthetic.
Why is there not loud noises for this to be banned?

My understanding (as a registered NZKC breeder) is that you will now find it very hard indeed to find a vet prepared to do tail docking. Sort of a de facto ban done quietly. Of course in the less civilised regions...

Rodeo should be modernised and made relevant - everything that was done on a horse is now done off a quad.
So bring them in and work off them instead of horses.
The bucking rides ? Quads with bent axles....

[Katman]

Prohibitions and restrictions on rodeo around the world.

[husaberg]

My understanding (as a registered NZKC breeder) is that you will now find it very hard indeed to find a vet prepared to do tail docking. Sort of a de facto ban done quietly. Of course in the less civilised regions...

Rodeo should be modernised and made relevant - everything that was done on a horse is now done off a quad.
So bring them in and work off them instead of horses.
The bucking rides ? Quads with bent axles....

i understand the breed clubs get arround this by banding.

on the modern rodeo, Oh yes, hell yes.
but can we also use helicopters another great mustering tool.

[Laava]

Obviously one of the things I'm trying to do is prompt people to take a closer look at issues that I believe are important.

If you couldn't care less about an issue that I raise than I don't quite understand why you would even bother to come into the thread.

(Unless of course, you're just fixated on me).

Definately not fixated on you dude, that is what you have axehole for! I happen to agree with you re the bullshit treatment that happens at rodeos etc but what is the point starting a thread on a motorcycle forum that will degenerate into the usual back and forth crap a la, 911 thread etc? Are you trying to be just like Edbear?

[Akzle]

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Rodeo should be modernised and made relevant - everything that was done on a horse is now done off a quad.
So bring them in and work off them instead of horses.
The bucking rides ? Quads with bent axles....

rbgiafp .

[Akzle]

Are you serious? KM and TDL actually strung a coherant conversation/argument for a few posts...

Love your work guys

rbgiafp

your work.

[madbikeboy]

That would make an epic track bike hauler.

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