Rodeos

[pritch]

i can see little benefit in how people dock dogs tails ,other than for so old fashioned breed aesthetic.
Why is there not loud noises for this to be banned?

When I was briefly involved with the Kennel Club there was talk that some vets were refusing to dock tails for cosmetic purposes.

There are anomalies, English Springer Spaniels have their tails docked. The argument for this is that the tail may get damaged while the dog is hunting in cover.
The springers bred for hunting, funnily enough, have longer tails than the springers bred for show.
Were I to get another dog, (unlikely now) I'd ask the breeder not to remove anything.

[Akzle]

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There are anomalies, English Springer Spaniels have their tails docked. The argument for this is that the tail may get damaged while the dog is hunting in cover.

some animals use their tails for balance.
if dogs did, they would be fucken squigly.

[oldrider]

When I was briefly involved with the Kennel Club there was talk that some vets were refusing to dock tails for cosmetic purposes.

There are anomalies, English Springer Spaniels have their tails docked. The argument for this is that the tail may get damaged while the dog is hunting in cover.
The springers bred for hunting, funnily enough, have longer tails than the springers bred for show.
Were I to get another dog, (unlikely now) I'd ask the breeder not to remove anything.

Funny enough I suffered the indignity of having my own tail docked when I was just a little baby - must have just been for show because I have never hurt it while out hunting - in bush or clear spaces! -

[MD]

Husaberg also made a very good point that often these Bans are instigated by people who little to no farming/big animal experience. I would however point out, that an outside perspective is beneficial as sometimes a sort of professional echo chamber can form.

Like most Kiwis I've lived near, around and spent plenty of time on farms. But I'm not a farmer so therefore I can't claim to be an expert on managing big animals. However, if this thread was started after the TV News Rodeo story a week ago then only an idiot could watch the violent treatment shown and not realise it was nothing more than organised animal cruelty.

I went to rodeos when a lad but I can't remember being upset by anything I saw back then. I am upset now though and will gladly sign any petition to ban rodeos. Preferably a petition that also calls for castration of those wankers prodding and roping the animals. So maybe it's a new thing nowadays to hurt the calves more, tosh them head over heels in agony in order to give the audience more thrills and drama?

[swbarnett]

Like most Kiwis I've lived near, around and spent plenty of time on farms. But I'm not a farmer so therefore I can't claim to be an expert on managing big animals. However, if this thread was started after the TV News Rodeo story a week ago then only an idiot could watch the violent treatment shown and not realise it was nothing more than organised animal cruelty.

I went to rodeos when a lad but I can't remember being upset by anything I saw back then. I am upset now though and will gladly sign any petition to ban rodeos. Preferably a petition that also calls for castration of those wankers prodding and roping the animals. So maybe it's a new thing nowadays to hurt the calves more, tosh them head over heels in agony in order to give the audience more thrills and drama?

Be careful how much weight you give the news story. It's very easy to take video of an uncommon practice and blow it out of all proportion just for ratings.

BTW: I have nothing to do with rodeos; I'm just very weary of jumping on a bandwagon because of what may well be selective sensationalism.

[TheDemonLord]

Like most Kiwis I've lived near, around and spent plenty of time on farms. But I'm not a farmer so therefore I can't claim to be an expert on managing big animals. However, if this thread was started after the TV News Rodeo story a week ago then only an idiot could watch the violent treatment shown and not realise it was nothing more than organised animal cruelty.

I went to rodeos when a lad but I can't remember being upset by anything I saw back then. I am upset now though and will gladly sign any petition to ban rodeos. Preferably a petition that also calls for castration of those wankers prodding and roping the animals. So maybe it's a new thing nowadays to hurt the calves more, tosh them head over heels in agony in order to give the audience more thrills and drama?

2 things - firstly this:

Be careful how much weight you give the news story. It's very easy to take video of an uncommon practice and blow it out of all proportion just for ratings.

BTW: I have nothing to do with rodeos; I'm just very weary of jumping on a bandwagon because of what may well be selective sensationalism.

And secondly - this:

I went to rodeos when a lad but I can't remember being upset by anything I saw back then.

Either Rodeos have gotten worse from when you were a Lad or perhaps the majority of Rodeos (then and now) aren't as portrayed in the media piece (because I dare say - even kids can spot animal cruelty).

[Zedder]

Either Rodeos have gotten worse from when you were a Lad or perhaps the majority of Rodeos (then and now) aren't as portrayed in the media piece (because I dare say - even kids can spot animal cruelty).

The info Katman provided (post #85) showed changes to rodeos. Ipso facto, things are different now.

[TheDemonLord]

The info Katman provided (post #85) showed changes to rodeos. Ipso facto, things are different now.

Errr - That showed Which regions had restrictions or prohibitions on Rodeos. Not that the content of the Rodeo had changed.

Whilst you could infer that attitudes towards the content has changed (a la Fox hunting) you have to reconcile this with the statement from MD - that he does not remember seeing anything upsetting at Rodeos as a Child.

[Zedder]

Errr - That showed Which regions had restrictions or prohibitions on Rodeos. Not that the content of the Rodeo had changed.

Whilst you could infer that attitudes towards the content has changed (a la Fox hunting) you have to reconcile this with the statement from MD - that he does not remember seeing anything upsetting at Rodeos as a Child.

Perhaps you need to read it again, examples: Nevada-Prohibits steer roping, State of Ohio-Bans use of flank straps...

[TheDemonLord]

Perhaps you need to read it again, examples: Nevada-Prohibits steer roping, State of Ohio-Bans use of flank straps...

So - what you are saying is that Rodeos have gotten more animal Friendly - which means that your objection to my statement makes no sense.

Hence why your reference to Katman's post does not backup the point you were making....

[Zedder]

So - what you are saying is that Rodeos have gotten more animal Friendly - which means that your objection to my statement makes no sense.

Hence why your reference to Katman's post does not backup the point you were making....

Where did I object to your statement?

My initial post just reiterated information that rodeo's have apparently changed, and for the better. You then wrote, wrongly, that Katman's info didn't show rodeo content changing.

I then wrote, in reply to that post, with proof from the info that it had.

[TheDemonLord]

Where did I object to your statement?

My initial post just reiterated information that rodeo's have apparently changed, and for the better. You then wrote, wrongly, that Katman's info didn't show rodeo content changing.

I then wrote, in reply to that post, with proof from the info that it had.

It was in response to my statement that either they had gotten worse - given that context - it seemed you were arguing that they had gotten worse.

[Akzle]

Where did I object to your statement?

My initial post just reiterated information that rodeo's have apparently changed, and for the better. You then wrote, wrongly, that Katman's info didn't show rodeo content changing.

I then wrote, in reply to that post, with proof from the info that it had.

rbgiafp.

arguing with a TDL is like mud-wrestling a pig. ultimately pointless, and the pig enjoys it.

[TheDemonLord]

rbgiafp.

arguing with a TDL is like mud-wrestling a pig. ultimately pointless, and the pig enjoys it.

And you'd know what Farm Animals enjoy aye Akzle....

[Akzle]

And you'd know what Farm Animals enjoy aye Akzle....

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