NZSBK 2017 Hampton Downs

[Doppleganger]

YOU CANNOT FAIRLY DETERMINE WHO CAUSED A RED FLAG IN THE TIME AVAILABLE.

Yeah ya can, its the guy or his bike that's compromised the race, don't make it more difficult that it needs to be.
That's the problem with the rule book, to much blah blah

[jellywrestler]

Yeah ya can, its the guy or his bike that's compromised the race, don't make it more difficult that it needs to be.
That's the problem with the rule book, to much blah blah

in someone elses oil slick? what if there's three down, or two or in the case at ruapuna two years back the red flag was put out for three riders and then the flaggie denied it, how would you call that?, or manfied when the cows walked across the back straight

[Doppleganger]

in someone elses oil slick? what if there's three down, or two or in the case at ruapuna two years back the red flag was put out for three riders and then the flaggie denied it, how would you call that?, or manfied when the cows walked across the back straight

Then three dont restart.
Cows and mistakes aside, if no rider or bike caused the red flag then all can restart.
Moto GP manage it (less the cows)

[scott411]

i think most of the time a prime cause can be found, but in some instances like the oil one, you may not, i think the prime cause should not score points in that race that is stopped,

I really think it needs to be a restart rule, either set the grid by the results of the first part, or do a single file restart like what is already in the rule book for endurance races

14.8a

In the event of a race stoppage the procedure will be:
Red Flags will be displayed at strategic points around the circuit.
All competitors still running will continue on the current lap, at a Safe
considerably reduced speed to the pits. Competitors must enter pit lane and
proceed to their respective pit area, but the Motorcycle MUST remain in Pit
Lane and not be taken into the garage area.
No tyres, fuel or repairs may be carried out.
Tyre warmers may be put on the bikes only.
The same rider must be on the same bike for the restart as was on the machine
at the time of the race stoppage.
The restart will consist of 1 warm up lap, followed by a green flag standing
start at the Start finish line

[Dave-]

Then three dont restart.
Cows and mistakes aside, if no rider or bike caused the red flag then all can restart.
Moto GP manage it (less the cows)

So two riders come together, one falls off and causes a red flag. He's not allowed to restart but the guy who knocked him off is?

[Doppleganger]

So two riders come together, one falls off and causes a red flag. He's not allowed to restart but the guy who knocked him off is?

Yep.

The rider that comes off as a result has cause to appeal the result.

[ellipsis]

...these arguments, musings, suggestions are as perennial as the dahlias growing on the fenceline...they will flower again next year too...

[Grumph]

...these arguments, musings, suggestions are as perennial as the dahlias growing on the fenceline...they will flower again next year too...

Correct - What i'd point out - again - is that what is in the book is WHAT THE RIDERS WANTED.

I'd assume that as usual there will be a roadrace workshop at this year's conference. I'd also assume that this topic has gone on the agenda....

Can I also assume that those of you on here with strong opinions for change will try and attend, either as observers or delegates ?

[scott411]

Correct - What i'd point out - again - is that what is in the book is WHAT THE RIDERS WANTED.

I'd assume that as usual there will be a roadrace workshop at this year's conference. I'd also assume that this topic has gone on the agenda....

Can I also assume that those of you on here with strong opinions for change will try and attend, either as observers or delegates ?

im not sure the conference is the best place to get alot of riders opinions, as not many attend,

with modern communications i think that an email out to all riders of the nationals asking for response would be a good start

[Dave-]

Yep.

The rider that comes off as a result has cause to appeal the result.

Ok, so he gets knocked off in the 4th lap of 20.

Appeals.

Where do you place him based on 4 laps of 20?

[Doppleganger]

Ok, so he gets knocked off in the 4th lap of 20.

Appeals.

Where do you place him based on 4 laps of 20?

Hey shit happens, its racing not tiddly-winks.
He cant appeal to be given a position he can appeal the eligibility of the rider who knocked him off to be included in the result.

[Dave-]

Hey shit happens, its racing not tiddly-winks.
He cant appeal to be given a position he can appeal the eligibility of the rider who knocked him off to be included in the result.

This is the dumbest shit I have ever heard.

I'm done with this thread.

I'm out.

[Doppleganger]

This is the dumbest shit I have ever heard.

I'm done with this thread.

I'm out.

Just think about it rather than do a runner.

How many riders crash as a result of another riders actions? A fair amount I'd suggest, they don't go running off to the steward and ask to be given points. If they have an issue with the offending rider they appeal the result and if substantiated maybe that offending rider looses out too.

The rue book is full of rule that dont work alongside each other and it needs to be thinned out .

[MarkW]

The rule book is full of rules that dont work alongside each other and it needs to be thinned out .[/QUOTE]

And are you volunteering to complete this job on behalf of the road racing community? If not, why not?

[Mental Trousers]

The downed rider needs to have a half hour stand down for medical observation. That is how the situation is handled in some other countries.
The bike should also be re inspected for crash damage that could result in a non compliant machine.

For a long time I'd heard the comment doing a "Foret". Rumour has it, Fabian Foret if he fell off, would lay on the track until the race was red flagged. Once flagged, he'd jump up and run back to the pits so he could get on the restart that he'd caused........

He maybe the most well known for doing that but I'm sure A. Stroud did that sort of thing while Fabian was still in nappies. I know he did for certain the last year he ran a GSXR600 in the Nationals.