2017 NZSBK Superbike Championship - on hold

[jellywrestler]

Yeah, to be fair, those examples were blatant cheating.

actually i disagree, on the black piper front they built five bikes in japan with certain people from NZ helping put them together, had them passed OK in NZ and modified another twenty or so in wanganui to the same specs. there is still a huge shroud of secrecy on the second batch and total denial even when presented with the facts from those who did some of it.
I bumped into Jim Doherty a few weeks ago who was the tech representative back then, he told me that there was nothing in the rule book to stop the twenty or so being done here as long as they were the same as the first five, meaning it was all done within the rules.
as for the katanas, apart from an upgrade to braided lines the bikes were entirely built in japan so no different to CB1100R's of the time

[jellywrestler]

But done at a time when winning meant sales....I'm somewhat puzzled by Honda's lack of interest in putting the public correct.

they have through social media, check your facebook account Greg....

[ellipsis]

...this is the national title for what we, (us), deem to be the pinnacle of our sport...is this lack of letting the world know who attained that pinnacle, an indication of how small and low profile our beloved sport is, in this country...sad really...

[Drew]

I reckon it's an embarrassment to most people.

[scott411]

i thought the ad said NZ superbike Champion, which since he was the 2016 champ is right,

if it says 2017 Superbike CHamp, then thats different,

but apart from a few of us talking about it on here, fuck all people will care, and i doubt anyone's decision to buy a new GSXR1000, or a CBR1000 will be affected by it,

[KawasakiKid]

Yeah, to be fair, those examples were blatant cheating.

Absolutely agree

I reckon it's an embarrassment to most people.

Also surely an embarrassment regarding the amount of money and effort Suzuki has thrown at the NZ Championships since the late '70s where almost nothing has been forthcoming from the other manufacturers/importers. In theory there should be a number of manufacturers fighting for the win.....but it is usually many Suzukis against one or two interlopers. Personally I like European bikes but one cannot deny that Suzuki is a dominant force in NZ for many years.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah, to be fair, those examples were blatant cheating.

Dunno what you mean!!

[sidecar bob]

Dunno what you mean!!

I mean kx125 barrels on a kr250, that's what I mean.

[husaberg]

http://www.kr-1s.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2099

6851 SP No.1 - Peter Mc... (Wellington 1991) 6+ owners
#68** SP No.2 - ?rider ...chassis yet to be confirmed
#68** SP No.3 - ?rider ...chassis yet to be confirmed
#68** SP No.4 - Stephen Ma... , (Omaha Sept 1991) 12+ owners
#68** SP No.5 - Neil Ne... , (Papakura July 1991) 11 owners
#68** SP No.6 - K-Force, (New Plymouth Dec 1991) ?rider 16+ owners
#73** SP No.7 - Robert Wy... (Auckland Nov 1992) 1 owner
#73** SP No.8 - Robert Ha... (Palmerston North Dec 1993) second owner? 6 owners
#73** SP No.9 - Darren Sm... (Te Kauwhata Aug 1991) 12 owners
#73** SP No.10 - ?rider (Panmure Feb 1991) 6 owners

10 bikes made for New Zealand 250cc Sports Production racing = KR-1S SP (Sport Production) ... the C3A variant of the KR-1S
and just like a bad war movie Kawasaki NZ (distributors) are disallowing any knowledge of the SP
(maybe it was just the guy I got on the phone... "there's no such thing as an SP.... an R model doesnt have a close ratio gearbox")...
the photocopies above (the parts fiches - I have copies) and the people that have owned them would argue otherwise... very disheartening

Piston and cylinder production stopped in 1992, D models the year earlier. RIP

the KR-1SP featured...
much larger 35mm Keihin PWK Carbs from the 'R' model (with fuel tap, throttle cable, intake rubbers)
Slightly higher compression ratio (skimmed head 8.0:1 CR)
Modified cylinder porting

Out of interest do KX cylinders actually fit on Kr1's?
Cr125 ones fit on NSr250's and age appropriate ones also fit on NSR400's.

[scott411]

http://www.kr-1s.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2099


Out of interest do KX cylinders actually fit on Kr1's?
Cr125 ones fit on NSr250's and age appropriate ones also fit on NSR400's.

thats information is not really right, anyone that still works at kawasaki nz that remembers it will tell you, as will anyone else that new about it,

enough bikes to meet the rules where made, same with the black pipers, and the wire wheel models,
no mater how you wright the rules, someone will figure out a way to work them to their advantage,

[husaberg]

thats information is not really right, anyone that still works at kawasaki nz that remembers it will tell you, as will anyone else that new about it,

enough bikes to meet the rules where made, same with the black pipers, and the wire wheel models,
no mater how you right the rules, someone will figure out a way to work them to their advantage,

I can't speak to the validity of the information, i only remebered seeing where it was posted.
The tighter the rules the more people tend to bend them.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Out of interest do KX cylinders actually fit on Kr1's?
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Not as far as I can remember. A quick check of base gasket part numbers will (obviously) tell you though.

thats information is not really right, anyone that still works at kawasaki nz that remembers it will tell you, as will anyone else that new about it,

enough bikes to meet the rules where made, same with the black pipers, and the wire wheel models,
,

Correct. It's not cheating if you make a bike that fits withing the rules. it IS cheating though, if you hot rod fuck out of a bike homologated as a slug. Queue RGV's, NSR's and TZR's.

[sidecar bob]

Not as far as I can remember. A quick check of base gasket part numbers will (obviously) tell you though.
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Not if the transfers are bigger where they meet the crankcase.

[Crasherfromwayback]

I mean kx125 barrels on a kr250, that's what I mean.

Not quite how the KR1SP came about. I happened to own a KX125 at the time, as did a good mate of mine. I'd noticed the KR1R in Japan had 35mm carbs (as opposed to the KR1S's 28's), so decided to fit the 35's to see what happened. After all. RGV's etc all had 32's?

The diff was massive. So instead of spending the coin on the close ratio box of the Japan only 'R' version, we did another couple of mods our selves. And built (10 others for sale) enough to make then legal.

Cheating? No. Why is it, if you build a bike legal by the rules in place at the time? Surely, cheating is what you're doing, when you modify a bike, outside of the std setup, to beat the guy next to you on the very same bike?

Because that's what was going on, when I was involved in 250cc *Production* racing in NZ.

For the record...not much had changed, when I was involved in Twin Sport 883 racing many years later.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Not if the transfers are bigger where they meet the crankcase.

Wouldn't matter anyway. Their power valve system(s) were totally different.