Yeah. For someone that thinks they're pretty smart, you're coming across pretty thick like. And you called me a hypocrite? Take a look in the mirror, Knobjob.Originally Posted by Drew
Fully qualified Sifter.
Yeah. For someone that thinks they're pretty smart, you're coming across pretty thick like. And you called me a hypocrite? Take a look in the mirror, Knobjob.
Ta
Was it Stroud who went back out after crashing out of a first part of a race prior to it being red flagged, then went out again in the second part. Had he not had his bike rechecked or something?
Was a couple years ago at Christchurch. Just trying to think why he shouldn't have been allowed out.
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it's all on CTAS, he crashed, then the two beemers crashed and caused a red flag and there was confusion on how many laps he'd done and whether he had done sufficient laps for a restart. his bike was sorted etc
Ta
Ok. And did you imply that he was a cheat for going out when he should have known that he was entitled?
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3.9 Timekeeper: The principal duty of the Timekeeper is to record and report such
times as are required by the conditions of the competition as instructed by the
Clerk of the Course and to prepare and sign such records as may be required
in the case of an attempt at records or a certified test.
the timekeeper is entirely under the Clerk of the Course so whatever 'mistake' was made was not theirs. The Clerk of the course will have recorded the time of a red flag and instruct the timing staff where to finalise the results.
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Well, again this has been fun to read!
Its all a little bit twisted I must admit. It would have been nice to win the Championship outright but here we are....
There is a very big reason why I am not letting this go as easy as what I could and that is due to Tony getting away with jumping the start at the Wanganui and not getting penalised for it, in the process taking the Championship while I got a 20 second penalty and ended up 3rd. I put an appeal in and MNZ completely disregarded the appeal. Not a single press release about the fact so eventually I decided to take it on the chin and focus on the 2017 National Championship debarcle and I cancelled my appeal.
Nationals, my bike locked up and I crashed at Taupo. I didnt try and cause a Red Flag, if that was my intention I would have checked the results and protested. At the next round they told us that a mistake had been made in the results and with the race going back to the previous lap then I got points. This happens quite often, happens in Moto GP. Its just the way the cookie crumbles some times, just like the jump start thing at Wanganui. Sometime you win sometimes you lose.
I still had a mountain of points to make up at Hampton Downs but I rode as hard as I possibly could, I have an attitude that I will fight to the very end., I got second in the first race but I won the second race and I lead every lap of the TT, we actually raced about 15 laps of that race but the results were taken back nearly 2 laps in the first stint and 1 lap in the second stint. We were sent back to the pits and the results were declared.
In total I won the most races in the Championship, I had the fastest laps, all but 1 pole position and I won the TT and GP titles so I think I also deserved the title but the circumstances how it all came about were out of my control. I was handed the trophy and awarded the Championship.
Tony felt aggrieved so he made an appeal to which he was awarded the Championship. I felt MNZ should have taken my evidence into consideration and they agreed so we went to the ST. The ST saw that it was quite a complex problem so they wanted MNZ to re do the appeal process correctly. I dont believe the second round of appeals were conducted correctly or fairly, I have put it to the Sport Tribunal that MNZ didn't provide a fair hearing. The Sport Tribunal may disagree and that will be the end of it. If they agree and believe it was not correct then we will provide the Sports Tribunal with our submission and they will decide on the outcome. I'm not holding my breath for any changes but the MNZ rules have given us a set of rules to use and that is all that I am doing.
Im not the one who made any of these rulings, I am not the one who started the appeals process. I have the same attitude that I have with anything I do in my life. I will fight as hard as I can for as long as I can. That's why I am a Champion. That's why Tony is a Champion. That's what you need to do to become a Champion.
Agree/Disagree its not a problem. Personal insults sorta suck, maybe I am a sore loser, I certainly don't like losing. Never have. I will accept whatever the decision is when the flag finally falls and I will proudly display whatever number I have earned. If its number 2 then expect me to proudly display a big number 2. I wont hide behind some random number.
As you were though, this is what KB is all about!
Fully qualified Sifter.
Good answer, and great you took the time to reply. I've often seen that nowadays, road racing is called a team sport. It def is now. I'm not sure how many you had on your team Sloan, but when i did the nationals, I had one. Me. I fitted my own tyres, with a rubber mallet, balanced them statically, and jetting and geared my own bike each week.
It's unfortunate that your GSXR locked up, and threw you into the kitty litter. Maybe your engine builder needs some help?
My KR1SP did a meltdown at round one at Pukekohe, through no fault of my own. The electrics went haywire. I had to take that on the chin.
At round two, Bruce Anstey ran me into the hay going over the bridge at Wanganui when i tried to ride around him. That was fair, as I'd done the same to him at Manfield not long before.
At Levels, Tony Sampson tried the impossible, and skittled three of us, with me being the last to remount. My exhaust had been torn from the cyl, so power was lacking. I was so mad, I tried desperately to hunt him down, so I could run him off the track. But I crashed on the last lap trying to do so.
At no point, did I consult the rule book, or try to blame someone else. This is what I meant, when I said to Drew, that I personally know you can't win a championship, when you're lying in the kitty litter.
That's racing...and you know it. Own it. You're good enough, fast enough, and young enough to win many more. You and your team are making this all stink like Drew's tongue.
Come back harder, faster and better his year. And get someone else to build your engines.
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i never implied anyone was a ch__t, earlier on. I gave two possible options on the situation I mentioned, clearly it was a case of not knowing the rule as I was right there, later Grumph suggested a third.
6.21 B f. Machines may be repaired, but not replaced, provided they have been
approved by the Machine Examiner or the Technical Steward (whichever
is applicable) before rejoining.
Sloan and his Mum came up the tower and got a protest form as he was held back from the restart in pitlane, they stated at the time that he was not allowed out due to him causing the red flag. They sat in the sofa right by the lift, naturally i was interested in how he was as it didn't look a nice bin at that speed, and then what had happened as I was there to inform the crowd of things.
I later went to the pits and asked her whether the protest had been lodged, she had not but had it filled out and the money waiting, I then suggested she check that rule, once they did the protest was discarded as either way he was not allowed to restart on another machine.
FYI Al Hoogies team came up to the tower and asked whether Al could go out in the restart after crashing out in turn one in the same race Sloan crashed and the red flag deployed, they did not know the rule.
Add to this Scotty Moir who pulled out after lap two from memory, he restarted part two while Sloan was held back (as mentioned earlier) they either didn't know the rule re 65 % OR weren't sure of the laps that had occurred so THREE of the Superbike teams in that one race either did not know the rules or the other option.
As for the Stroud incident you speak of, once again I was right there, the officials were in a circle discussing whether he was elidgible for a restart, i asked what the lap score was and they didn't actually have a copy!!! I went up to the timing people and got one for them, there was still some confusion and the warm up lap well under way, he got tapped on the shoulder and told to get on the track and it would be sorted later, this delay was blamed at the time for bugdens bike overheating and expiring. If the officials hadn't let him rejoin when he was entilted to the race results would have had to be declared null and void so it was better to let him out at the time when no-one could come up with an answer it seems.
While i'm here I'll point out what Tony said re the jump start at Wanganui. He knew he'd jumped, he rolled a little then stopped so he knew there should be a twenty second penalty. He put his head down to make up some time, on lap one a blackboard came out at the start finish, not his number, no board lap two, another lap three, none on four or five. After this he didn't have to push so hard, as he thought the rule said the blackboard had to be displayed within five laps.
The five lap bit, that both Tony and the Steward of the meeting were referring to on the day; was removed from the rule book some time ago.
The point of my post 340 was that one of the rules was not known by a leading team, not at all the other option I listed, notes here say it is widespread at that level, as well as some of the officials so just what are we going to do about it?
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the amount of riders and teams that know the rules is pretty low, and it does not help they have changed a lot over the years,
i know its the same in the top motocross teams as well, and saw it happen at the final round of the mx nationals last year, when one of the team managers tried to raise the protest flag, (in MX, there is a purple flag that the rider must raise to starts the protest, you can not go back to the pits and talk to your team before you protest a racing incident)
its always amazed me that people will spend that much money on teams and racing, and not read the rules, or even carry a copy of the rule book with them
edit: ill add some officals to the list of people that don't know the rules,
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Low personal B.M.E.P.
Interesting responses. Thanks Sloan for putting your side of it.
"Tony felt aggrieved"...I'd like to hear Tony's reasons too.
Carrying a grievance over from the Suzuki Series to the nationals is a mistake IMO. They're separate series and what happens in one should have no bearing on the other. If you go into the Nationals with that sort of shit in the back of your mind, it's going to blur your focus.
If you're going back to the Sports Tribunal on the basis that an MNZ official couldn't open your submission sent electronically, IMO that shouldn't be grounds.
It's your responsibilty to supply any evidence or submissions in a form that can be accessed. To me that would have been hard copy printed out.
Moblie chicane
Didn't they let him out but starting at the back of the grid, so he just passed the whole field on the first lap? I remember him looking pissed off on the grid and rode the wheels off it. Would have been 2012 as that was the first Nationals I was in Christchurch for.
Ta
It was the ride of the season.
Ta
Fair point if the guy had told Sloan he couldn't open the file. But finding out at the hearing that he hadn't read it isn't on.
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Stroudy said afterwards that starting off the back of the grid certainly got his attention! as if riding a superbike isn't enough to do that.
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The man's a legend without equal.
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