2017 Proposed Bucket Rule Changes.

[TZ350]

Posted as a public service.

2017 Proposed Bucket Rule Changes.

https://www.mnz.co.nz/docs/default-s...e.pdf?sfvrsn=2

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These two pages pertain to Buckets



The full list of Proposals.

Cut off for Submissions to the Proposals close end of April.

[Rick 52]

I'm sorry but I don't see any positives, only negatives ..

1/ Do we need another class ? (A,B,C F5, Sidcars )
2/ Do we have a shortage of available motors?
3/ Would more people race ?
4/ How could it be policed ?
5/ Do meeting organisers need more work ?

Suzuki FXRs have been great for buckets because lots of people dont have access to kitted work shops or money to get things made but Bucket people help others to do little mods on the cheep ..

Build a F5 bike and learn to ride fast on a slow bike is a better option .

[TALLIS]

Agree Rick, would be more beneficial to make a rules change that requires every rider to flag a race...
I'm probably the only 1 with a 85cc mx bucket, and only for shits and giggles as the mounts are the same as the f5 set up. Iam not in any way behind or attached to anyone who has submitted this proposed change mind you, the only thing it dose have going for it, is that it is a different class. It won't bring any new riders to the track, and the usual cry baby's will still harp on that buckets should still be $500, but hey you can't buy an ice cream for 20c anymore either.....

[jellywrestler]

pretty simple, these are the proposed changes, get your vote in or more importanalt comments so there can be a balanced discussion at conference.
remember only a handful of people make up these rules with the knowledge they have, more sets of eyes on these will bring more comments out that will either let them through, let them through with refinements or shoot them down, no use moaning after it's done.

[Cheesy]

Ive got most of an RM85 motor in the garage if anyone wants to take a gamble

[jasonu]

pretty simple, these are the proposed changes, get your vote in or more importanalt comments so there can be a balanced discussion at conference.
remember only a handful of people make up these rules with the knowledge they have, more sets of eyes on these will bring more comments out that will either let them through, let them through with refinements or shoot them down, no use moaning after it's done.

But who proposed these changes, why and based on what research or information?

[F5 Dave]

But who proposed these changes, why and based on what research or information?

Seems to be missing the overbore sizes for all classes if a new one was introduced.

It is a crying shame that there's a dearth of modern 2 strokes and the old ones need a heap of work to get them FXR competitive. And let's face it were made in the 70s.

Still I'll order up KTM with an Ignitech and Wobbly pipe. Then I just need to find an unbreakable skinny kid to ride it.

[jellywrestler]

But who proposed these changes, why and based on what research or information?

some one with a mnz license and entilted to do so, how the fuck would i know or care, fact is they are there and it's up to the others to vote yay or nay or streamline them so they work, everyone has a vote, so can't get fairer than that can you?

[TZ350]

Seems to be missing the overbore sizes for all classes if a new one was introduced.

Over bore allowances are on page 1 of Appendix A



Looks like Super Unmodified don't get a re bore allowance as the engine must remain in OEM spec, or whoever proposed the rule didn't think of it.

It is a crying shame that there's a dearth of modern 2 strokes and the old ones need a heap of work to get them FXR competitive. And let's face it were made in the 70s.

That is true, but by taking advantage of the current F4 100cc 2T, 110cc max re-bore allowance you can re cycle some interesting cylinders and for little more than the cost of an overhaul, build a reliable engine fairly easily out of old stuff lying around that is currently Bucket legal.

Farmer Ken and Team ESE have built engines this way and I know of a few others in the pipeline.

Details on building a reliable H2O 110 2T for not much money can be found here:-

Building a F4 water cooled two stroke Bucket racing engine.

[jasonu]

Seems to be missing the overbore sizes for all classes if a new one was introduced.

It is a crying shame that there's a dearth of modern 2 strokes and the old ones need a heap of work to get them FXR competitive. And let's face it were made in the 70s.

Still I'll order up KTM with an Ignitech and Wobbly pipe. Then I just need to find an unbreakable skinny kid to ride it.

If 85 mx'rs are allowed, next it will be CRF150R's.

[jasonu]

some one with a mnz license and entilted to do so, how the fuck would i know or care, fact is they are there and it's up to the others to vote yay or nay or streamline them so they work, everyone has a vote, so can't get fairer than that can you?

Sounds more like someone with a back yard full of 85 mx'rs or more likely someone who knows fuck all about the class.

[jellywrestler]

Sounds more like someone with a back yard full of 85 mx'rs or more likely someone who knows fuck all about the class.

yip and many years ago a westland south island club proposed a tether switch for road racing sidecar passengers, they had no real knowledge on the sport but offered that up, that brought out the discussion, or more likely forced the discussion, it was thrown out.
it may well be someone going off half cocked, that's why you have to come back on it with answers so it can be a balanced discussion.

[FastFred]

Not sure you really need Super Buckets as Team ESE have pointed out. There is plenty that can be done with existing Bucket legal parts. Take one re-bored (re plated) NSR125 or 250, Aprila125 or RGV250 cylinder, no porting or 2T tuning experience needed. Leave it in standard tune and mate it to an appropriate bottom end and you will have all the power and reliability you will ever need, upper 20's at least. Just so simple.

And for those that ask, yes Aprilia125 cylinders can still be brought new and NSR ones too and Suzuki are still making the TF/TS100 bike so there must be engines around from older ones.

[TZ350]

KTM 85 an easy 24.4hp ... . no effort required, if you think that is a good idea, best let MNZ know.

[FastFred]

Talented old school Bucket racer.

But if your daddy moneybags living life through your nipper.



Or a young fella with a strong sense of entitlement and a gold card, why shouldn't you just buy the the hp you need. F..K having to make stuff yourself.



Maybe this is the face of a new breed of racing talent.

With store brought 24hp KTM85's, Bucket racing could be headed for a Golden future.