North Korea's future ... or lack thereof

[husaberg]

Bet he's not. Hell I had to ask the wife which Colonel came first.
Even as I looked at the picture of Season Ones cast.
Poor old Henry didn't even get out of the area before his chopper was shot down and he was killed.
Barstard bloody Nth Korean Gooks, I still hate them!

Shot down over the sea of japan. On a transport plane.

[Brian d marge]

Shot down over the sea of japan. On a transport plane.

Stop it , that's another chapter at the rate ur going

At my age this could prove fatal

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[Swoop]

23 April, 2017: In early April South Korea conducted a successful test of a locally made ballistic missile with a range of 800 kilometres. The new missile can carry a half ton warhead and has no official name yet. This enables South Korea to hit targets anywhere in North Korea with weapons (ballistic missiles) that North Korea is not equipped to stop.

A similar test in 2015 involved ballistic missiles with a range of 500 kilometres what came to be known as the Hyunmoo 2C. That test ended decades of restrictions (at the behest of the United States) on South Korean ballistic missile development. South Korea has never released much information on how many of its ballistic or cruise missiles it has but has at times indicated that they are aimed at North Korean targets. These South Korea missiles can be launched from anywhere in South Korea and hit any area in North Korea. Apparently North Korean leader Kim Jong Un and his various underground headquarters are prime targets. Unlike North Korea, which has chemical weapons and, eventually, nuclear warheads, South Korea is restricted to conventional explosives. But even with these, missiles can do considerable damage to underground facilities and major above ground facilities.

Until 2012 South Korea and the United States had an agreement that limited South Korean made ballistic missiles to 300 kilometres range. In return the United States pledged prompt and substantial military support in the event of an attack by North Korea. In 2012 that treaty was modified because of growing aggression by North Korea and a rapidly growing North Korean arsenal of ballistic missiles. The 2012 amendments allow for South Korean missiles with a max range of 800 kilometres. The original restrictions were a gesture to North Korea in an effort to halt a ballistic missile arms race. By 2012 it was clear that the north wanted nothing to do with any restrictions. Meanwhile South Korea already had over two decades experience developing satellite launchers and ballistic missiles. South Korea is better equipped (with tech and manufacturing capability) than North Korea to develop and build ballistic missiles and satellite launchers. So the 2012 amendments to the ballistic missile agreement were expected to show quick results and that is what happened.

Back in 2012 the South Korean military also called for over $2 billion to be spent on missiles during the next five years and this plan was largely approved. This was part of an effort to develop the capability to quickly weaken the North Korean artillery and missile forces in any future war. The South Korean plan included the purchase of over a thousand new ballistic and cruise missiles. These are aimed at specific North Korean missile launchers and artillery positions. In the event of a war, the South Korean missiles can be quickly launched and most North Korean missile and artillery weapons destroyed. That would mean less destruction in South Korean territory. The North Korean plan had always been to start any future war with an enormous bombardment of South Korea using shells, rockets, and missiles. Most would be aimed at the South Korean capital, and largest city, Seoul.

Nearly all the $2 billion was spent on missiles made in South Korea. At the same time the government also revealed the existence of some of these locally developed missiles that had been kept secret. This included a new cruise missile and ballistic missile that were ready for service. South Korea is usually secretive about its battlefield missiles although some details do leak. In 2009 South Korean media reported that a new cruise missile, with a range of 1,000 kilometres, had secretly entered production in 2008. The missile, called Hyunmoo 3, has since been superseded by the Hyunmoo 3C missile, which has a range of 1,500 kilometres and is being deployed along the North Korean border, aimed at ballistic missiles, nuclear weapons, and other strategic targets to the north. The longer range of the Hyunmoo 3C enables it to hit any target in North Korea and is apparently intended to knock out transportation and supply targets deep inside North Korea. With a range of 1,500 kilometres the missile could also hit targets in China and Russia.

Since the 1980s the United States has been discouraging South Korea from developing long range ballistic and cruise missiles. Despite the U.S. refusal to approve or cooperate South Korea developed a 180 kilometre range ballistic missile (Hyunmoo 1) and a 300 kilometre one (Hyunmoo 2) in the 1980s. Both are about 13 meters (40 feet) long and weigh 4-5 tons. By 2001 South Korea accepted the Missile Technology Control Regime (MTCR) and thus agreed not to build ballistic missiles with a range of more than 300 kilometres. Hyunmoo 1 and 2 used a design based on that of the U.S. Nike-Hercules anti-aircraft missile, which South Korea used for many years and mastered the manufacturing technology for.

Cruise missiles are simpler technology, and apparently the Hyunmoo 3 is made entirely with South Korean developed components. Like the original American Tomahawk, Hyunmoo 3 appears to be about 6 meters (19 feet) long, weighs 1.5 tons, has a half ton warhead, and is launched from hidden (in the hills facing North Korea), and probably fortified, containers. North Korea has about 600 ballistic missiles aimed at South Korea but many of them are so old that their reliability in action is questionable.

In addition to locally made ballistic missiles in 2011 South Korea moved some of its American made ATACMS (Army Tactical Missile Systems) guided missiles close to the North Korean border. ATACMS is a 610mm rocket that fits in the same size container that normally holds six 227mm MLRS rockets. The ATACMS version in South Korean service has a range of 165 kilometres. That makes it capable of reaching many targets in North Korea but not the capital (Pyongyang, which is 220 kilometres north of the DMZ). There is a version of ATACMS with a range of 300 kilometres but South Korea did not have any. ATACMS is fired from the American MLRS rocket launcher. South Korea only has 220 ATACMS missiles. All of them have cluster bomb warheads. Half of them are unguided and have a range of 128 kilometres. The others have smaller warheads, GPS guidance, and a range of 165 kilometres. This is apparently the version moved close to the border, in order to make the North Koreans nervous. South Korea originally bought ATACMS in 1998, to have a weapon that could go after distant North Korean artillery and large concentrations of tanks.

Despite American opposition South Korea began developing, but not mass-producing, ballistic missiles in the 1970s. South Korea certainly has the technical expertise and manufacturing capability to produce a more modern ballistic missile with a range of 300 kilometres. At this point the United States is no longer trying to restrict South Korean missile development or production. The South Koreans tried for over a decade to develop warmer relations with North Korea and all efforts failed. The 2010 North Korea attacks (using artillery and a torpedo than sank a warship) on South Korea changed a lot of attitudes in South Korea, and the United States. North Korea is still a big problem but now South Korea is free to try whatever it thinks will work.

One negative side-effect of this missile program is that it puts parts of Russia and China at risk as well. Both nations are considered traditional threats to Korea and Russians and Chinese leaders are well aware of this. They also realize that South Korea is capable of developing and manufacturing nuclear weapons, and doing so quickly.

[Murray]

not right its all USA's fault according to Oldrider

[oldrider]

not right its all USA's fault according to Oldrider

Didn't say that - I said that USA position is hypocritical brandishing their WMD's as if it's OK for them and not for anyone else!

[Oakie]

Didn't say that - I said that USA position is hypocritical brandishing their WMD's as if it's OK for them and not for anyone else!

I do agree with you John.

[oldrider]

The world police are gathering to discuss North Korea - http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news...ectid=11844669 Serious cost involved here!

[Brian d marge]

Oh bollocks ...Looks like they are focusing on nk
They really must be short of cash , need a new new pearl ,bay of Tomkin harbour asap


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[Voltaire]

Oh bollocks ...Looks like they are focusing on nk
They really must be short of cash , need a new new pearl ,bay of Tomkin harbour asap


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You mean they engineer an attack on the Mike Vinsen carrier?

Surely they will get SK to do all the dirty work...thats what Allies are for init?

[pritch]

Trump is a worry. That the DPRK (as it calls itself) is a problem long term isn't in doubt. That it now appears to be an immediate problem is entirely due to Donald Trump who is likely to do something silly on the basis that it will make him look presidential. Cross yer fingers.

[Katman]

You mean they engineer an attack on the Mike Vinsen carrier?

Surely they will get SK to do all the dirty work...thats what Allies are for init?

It doesn't always go according to plan.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WR...ssliberty.html

[Swoop]

You mean they engineer an attack on the Mike Vinsen carrier?

Fuck. I'm staying well away from New Lynn for a while then... http://www.mikevinsen.co.nz/about.aspx

That the DPRK (as it calls itself)...

Any country that has "Democratic" in the title indicates it is anything but.

[Zedder]

Fuck. I'm staying well away from New Lynn for a while then... http://www.mikevinsen.co.nz/about.aspx

Haha I thinks it's pretty safe. Dropped by another Mike with a motorcycle connection recently, Mike O'Sullivan ex Mt Eden Motorcycles has been on the North Shore for a while now.

[oldrider]

Destabilization Plots Against Syria and Venezuela :- http://www.globalresearch.ca/destabi...ezuela/5586704 Sit and stay North Korea - or what?

Never make threats that you can't carry out - Trump will have to back down when he is through sabre rattling and go away with his tail between his legs!

[Brian d marge]

Destabilization Plots Against Syria and Venezuela :- http://www.globalresearch.ca/destabi...ezuela/5586704 Sit and stay North Korea - or what?

Never make threats that you can't carry out - Trump will have to back down when he is through sabre rattling and go away with his tail between his legs!

How's that Russian navel base in Venezuela doing ,?


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