The 2017 Election Thread

[Ocean1]

Let's hope that they have NO access whatsoever to the treasury portfolio.

Correct. When he was promised "more seats" by national but was then shafted by Bolger / Shipley swapping seats and renegging on the deal.


It is odd to see so many NZF "ministers" and is well out of proportion to the numbers represented on election night.
So much for "negotiations", as I posted previously this was nothing less than a hostage situation.


Let's hope that another massive natural disaster does not hit the country.

I think it just did.

Well, in so far as the stupidity embodied in the concept of MMP can be said to be natural.

The NZ dollar isn't quite in free fall but it's clear the rest of the world aren't impressed with our economic prospects.

[James Deuce]

For sure - but let me Channel the spirit of Cassina for the moment:

Would you say that in those situations (just like riding) there are decisions that you can make that can limit your exposure and mitigate risk?

In our case, no.

[jasonu]

Yeah but Bill is a bloke. Seriously she doesn't even try to flash herself at all. She is representing our country now, the least she could do is get a complete makeover.

Already been discussed...
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/ar...ectid=11908121

[Crasherfromwayback]

There is something that deeply irks me about the result, it's something along the lines of the party with the largest vote share didn't get to form a Government, all because of the Whims of one Winston Peters.

This (to me) seems to go against every principle of Democracy.
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Ummmm, for starters, more people voted FOR change, than to retain status quo. Not sure why you'd have trouble grasping that simple fact. This is EXACTLY why we have MMP, and why it's a good idea.

Yeah but Bill is a bloke. Seriously she doesn't even try to flash herself at all. She is representing our country now, the least she could do is get a complete makeover.

Fuck you're a clown. She's not there as eye candy, what a retarded thing to say. How 'bout you post a pic of your missus for us to critique?

[TheDemonLord]

In our case, no.

So, by that - are you saying you have no agency? Are you saying that there is not any decisions that you could make to change your situation?

I disagree with that sentiment.

[TheDemonLord]

Ummmm, for starters, more people voted FOR change, than to retain status quo. Not sure why you'd have trouble grasping that simple fact. This is EXACTLY why we have MMP, and why it's a good idea.

By that logic then - every single election under MMP, even the ones where the incumbant party stayed in Power, the people voted for Change. Because no party since the implementation has had an absolute majority - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electi...al_elections_2

Further by that logic - every election where the incumbant party stayed in power (in your reasoning) was invalid - because the people voted FOR change.

The simple fact that you seem to have trouble grasping is that the biggest proportion of people voted for National. That they are not in power shows why MMP is flawed. FFP is also flawed, the Electoral college is also flawed etc. etc. ad infinitum ad nauseum.

That a single person (Winston Peters) effectively got to decide the next Government of NZ, regardless of the Election results is an absolute affront to Democracy.

[Brian d marge]

Ummmm, for starters, more people voted FOR change, than to retain status quo. Not sure why you'd have trouble grasping that simple fact. This is EXACTLY why we have MMP, and why it's a good idea.



Fuck you're a clown. She's not there as eye candy, what a retarded thing to say. How 'bout you post a pic of your missus for us to critique?

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[Crasherfromwayback]

The simple fact that you seem to have trouble grasping is that the biggest proportion of people voted for National.

Ummmm...no they didn't.

[pritch]

You can be in that state in an instant without knowing it has happened. And EVERYONE, without fail, just labels you a fuckwit failure and you deserve it. Irrespective of circumstance. As soon as it has happened you are part of the problem. There is no delineation between bad luck, poor management, or zero opportunity. As soon as you are poor, asset-less and without debt, you are a non-person bludger.

Interesting comments. Lately I have been seeing people arguing against this on the interweb. Basically it's victim blaming, but it has the added benefit of permitting those who could help ignore the problem with a completely unbothered conscience.

I hope our new Government can hold itself together for three years. A rather kinder approach than what we have had for the last nine might be benfeficial, if they can do it without breaking the bank.

If Winston gets me a better Gold card I will drink to his health.

[TheDemonLord]

Ummmm...no they didn't.

Ok - fair point, let me rephrase slightly:

it is that the biggest single proportion of people voted for National.

[Honest Andy]

We have a government that is made up of people and policies that more than 50% of voters wanted.

So Mmp is still working.

Sour grapes doesn't change the maths...

[TheDemonLord]

Interesting comments. Lately I have been seeing people arguing against this on the interweb. Basically it's victim blaming, but it has the added benefit of permitting those who could help ignore the problem with a completely unbothered conscience.

I hope our new Government can hold itself together for three years. A rather kinder approach than what we have had for the last nine might be benfeficial, if they can do it without breaking the bank.

If Winston gets me a better Gold card I will drink to his health.

Victim Blaming?

If you tell someone that maybe they did things that either invited, expidited or failed to guard against Disaster - is this Victim Blaming? I find there is something very insidious and corrupt with the notion of Victim Blaming - in which it grants people to act in a manner without a care for the consequences of their own actions, then absolve themselves of any responsibility when something negative as a result (or partial result) befalls them - and screeching like a toddler "VICTIM BLAMING!" at anyone who dares to suggest that maybe they ought to think a little bit more next time.

[pritch]

Ok - fair point, let me rephrase slightly:

it is that the biggest single proportion of people voted for National.

That's nice but it is entirely irrelevant.

Whoever Winston went with, the result would have represented the majority of voters. Some people have trouble grasping that but it's only 'cause they don't ike the result, they don't like MMP, or both.

[TheDemonLord]

We have a government that is made up of people and policies that Winston wanted.

So Mmp is still broken.

Sour grapes doesn't change the maths...

Indeed....

[Voltaire]

Other than Winston Peters and his cronies having more say than their Grey Powered 7% deserves I'm not unhappy with a

change of actors on the stage.

He's just NZ version on Donald Trump promising a world that is gone, gone, gone, whooaaah...da da da.....

I had a Parrot Dog Bitter Bitch....felt it was the right combination of bitterness to go with Mike Hoskings.