The 2017 Election Thread

[Oakie]

I did say "most" of the politicians I've meet impressed me as genuine. Rodney, Winstone and Bob were somewhat disappointing.

Ooh. A new game.

John Banks.

[Ocean1]

Ooh. A new game.

John Banks.

Never met the guy, so my perceptions are mostly via the press who, as I said I trust only to impart the maximum shock/horror spin to anything they "report".

I spent several days, once, supposedly being "media-proofed". It's surprisingly difficult to do well, or smoothly at any rate, but any politician reeks of it, the ability to say nothing anyone can get negative traction on. Unfortunately, it makes what they do say almost as irrelevant as what the press say they said.

Bit of a shame really, most of them are well worth listening to in any other environment. But that's politics as practiced in the west, and as me dear old uncle used to say: Love it or hate it, get good at it or get used to losing.

[Oakie]

as me dear old uncle used to say: Love it or hate it, get good at it or get used to losing.

Wise words.

[husaberg]

I spent several days, once, supposedly being "media-proofed". It's surprisingly difficult to do well, or smoothly at any rate, but any politician reeks of it, the ability to say nothing anyone can get negative traction on. Unfortunately, it makes what they do say almost as irrelevant as what the press say they said.

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To avoid criticism say nothing, do nothing, and be nothing. – Elbert Hubbard

[pete376403]

But the prospect of a Labour/Greens/NZ1st/United/Internet party/Mana/TOP/Maori party conglomerate is severely unattractive.

No more unattractive than a National/NZFirst/Act/Maori/UnitedFuture mash up.

[Ocean1]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...ck-out-tenants

It's all easy eh?

Wtf does he think the very first thing residential investors will do if they thought that was on the table?

[Voltaire]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...ck-out-tenants

It's all easy eh?

Wtf does he think the very first thing residential investors will do if they thought that was on the table?

Good, let the investors who don't want to do any maintenance, and only have to give 90 days notice to vacate bugger off.

I've rented houses in 3 other countries and all by lease, means you can make plans more than 3 months ahead.

Note: I've had rental property in the past and tenants can be hard work.

[mashman]

Wtf does he think the very first thing residential investors will do if they thought that was on the table?

... WTF do you think he's trying to do given that another of his policies is geared towards getting people out of property investment and investing in other things. Just when I think you can't get any dumber

[James Deuce]

Note: I've had rental property in the past and tenants can be hard work.

So can landlords who don't reply when you let them know that there is an infrastructure issue with a property.

[jasonu]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...ck-out-tenants

It's all easy eh?

Wtf does he think the very first thing residential investors will do if they thought that was on the table?

yep what a fucking dick!

[Ocean1]

Good, let the investors who don't want to do any maintenance, and only have to give 90 days notice to vacate bugger off.

I've rented houses in 3 other countries and all by lease, means you can make plans more than 3 months ahead.

Note: I've had rental property in the past and tenants can be hard work.

Well y'know, if all dem poor bastards want to avoid paying rent they could always work as hard as the landlord did to buy the fucking house.

And by hard work I don't mean the sort where the tenancy tribunal gets to play referee.

And actually now that I think about it Gareth's scheme is really just formalising the current arrangement where the tenants get to trash the place and then refuse to vacate the premises or pay for the damage.

[Ocean1]

... WTF do you think he's trying to do given that another of his policies is geared towards getting people out of property investment and investing in other things. Just when I think you can't get any dumber

He's perfectly clear about what he intends. And like anyone else concerned about people less well off than himself he's got the option of paying for their shit himself or stealing it off someone else. In this case he's stealing it off those rich pricks, 'cause they don't deserve all that money.


Now I dunno how dumb you got to be to look around the world and see how well that's working and STILL suggest it's a good idea, but it's certainly approaching your level of retardation.

[mashman]

He's perfectly clear about what he intends. And like anyone else concerned about people less well off than himself he's got the option of paying for their shit himself or stealing it off someone else. In this case he's stealing it off those rich pricks, 'cause they don't deserve all that money.


Now I dunno how dumb you got to be to look around the world and see how well that's working and STILL suggest it's a good idea, but it's certainly approaching your level of retardation.

I know he is. You however obviously aren't.

Oh don't get me wrong I don't think his policies have a shit show of making the difference he expects... but at least I know what they are. Happy voting.

[bogan]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pol...ck-out-tenants

It's all easy eh?

Wtf does he think the very first thing residential investors will do if they thought that was on the table?

Some of his stuff makes a bit of sense, that one falls far from the mark. It even seems to run a bit contrary to his other policies; kiwis should look to own a home to live in, motivate that by ensuring there are benefits other than just future financial to do so, while making property speculation less profitable. There's already houses not being rented out because tenants are cunts to deal with...

It also begs the question, who sets the rental prices? Presumably that is taken care of so I don't just buy the house then set a price of 10-getthefuckoutofmyhouse-thousand dollars per week.

However, he is talking policy, and the media are coving it, and I like that.

[Ocean1]

Some of his stuff makes a bit of sense, that one falls far from the mark. It even seems to run a bit contrary to his other policies; kiwis should look to own a home to live in, motivate that by ensuring there are benefits other than just future financial to do so, while making property speculation less profitable.

It's already not very profitable. In the case of the one I have left, over a decade or so it's slightly worse than money in the bank.

It also begs the question, who sets the rental prices? Presumably that is taken care of so I don't just buy the house then set a price of 10-getthefuckoutofmyhouse-thousand dollars per week.

The correct answer is the owner and the tenant. It's called a free market. Which is very approximately the opposite of what Gareth's suggesting: a local agency that sets the price of a new rental agreement based on what other local rents are.

Like I said, buy the fucking house and you can do what you like with it.