The 2017 Election Thread

[TheDemonLord]

Okay lets use some figures that suggest men should not be in charge of the country solely due to the fact that they are men.
because.

For sure - we've got our faults - the problem of those stats however, is one of Age Demographic - namely - most of them apply to Men from their teenage years to about their 30s. How may Party leaders are there that are under 30?

That said - Male suicide is a massive issue that doesn't get discussed nearly enough.

[husaberg]

For sure - we've got our faults - the problem of those stats however, is one of Age Demographic - namely - most of them apply to Men from their teenage years to about their 30s. How may Party leaders are there that are under 30?

That said - Male suicide is a massive issue that doesn't get discussed nearly enough.

I am pretty sure you will find those stats cover all ages.

[TheDemonLord]

So do you consider my belief that 'men and women are equals in all areas unless comprehensively proven otherwise', to be an irrational belief, held against one particular gender?

Well, you can look at it multiple ways.

First off - We are a Sexually dimorphic species - so on a purely principled point- you could reasonably argue that given that data point alone, it's an irrational belief.

Secondly - what is your standard for 'Comprehensively'? Especially when considering your previous comment:

Science cannot know all, it is fine to have a burden of proof high enough that we cannot draw conclusions in our lifetime.

Then you've got the anthropomorphic argument, and I'm going to quote Wikipedia here:

"Most anthropologists hold that there are no known anthropological societies that are unambiguously matriarchal, but some authors believe exceptions may exist or may have"

When you package that with the fact there are civilizations, that are on opposite sides of the world, that have never had any form of contact, either in their recent history OR in their oral traditions, that all have arranged themselves into "patriarchal" societies - that is a strong empirical argument for there being differences.

Then you've got the various Neurological arguments - There seems to be a fairly uniform consensus that the average ratios of Grey/White matter between the Genders differs Link - and oh - look at that, it also points out it aligns with the Gender/IQ disparity, and even links to yet ANOTHER study showing the same result - same average, but greater male variability - there's also the work done in regards to mapping the connections within the brain - with men showing a more linear structure, isolated within each hemisphere, whereas women showing more inter-connected structure - this was theorised (going from memory here) that the more linear structure resulted in faster reaction times and split-decision making, suggested to be an evolutionary advantage for combat.

Then you've got the differences that Testosterone has - the preference for things vs people - again has been fairly well documented, with studies done to account for societal bias (so using New borns) and also this has been replicated in other mamallian primates.

With that all said, let me return to my previous point about Malicious Equality (which you epicly fumbled your interpretation of):

If we were to remove all Gender segregation in sports - this would be a perfect example of Malicious Equality - in fact the result would look something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2QgDWSfQik Namely the worlds best Female Kickboxer Lucia Rijker (who was/is an absolute monster in the ring - going undefeated her entire career with only 1 draw against female opponents - with a massive KO ratio - She's a Badass) gets man-handled, then Knocked out by some no-name journeyman who doesn't even have a wikipedia page in the second round.

It is most certainly equality, but it is enforced in such a way to cause harm to the other gender.

A flipside example would be the trend of discouraging rough-and-tumble play in schools (such as banning bullrush/british bulldog, or even banning tag etc.) where the equity is trying to force young boys into more 'feminine' behavior - stopping them from indulging in 'boisterous' play (which, typically, are more popular amongst males than females).

And I'd say that enforcing a certain kind of Equality can absolutely be done for Sexist reasons (such as above)

[TheDemonLord]

I am pretty sure you will find those stats cover all ages.

But they are not uniform throughout the Age range - Take the car crash one:

http://burnsjainlaw.com/wp-content/u...sh_involve.gif

The suicide one - it's a little more interesting:

Take this one:

http://primarypsychiatry.com/wp-cont...Ran_F2_big.gif

which shows the typical pattern - however, you are partly right - there has been a rise in middle-aged suicide amongst men in the western world over the last 10-20 years - some more reading on it suggests that it is related to midlife crisis, divorce, loss of access to kids, financial pressures etc.

which gives something more like this:

http://imaging.ubmmedica.com/CME/pt/...ubersteinF.gif

Either way - it's a scandal IMO that it isn't addressed as it should be.

[husaberg]

But they are not uniform throughout the Age range - Take the car crash one:

http://burnsjainlaw.com/wp-content/u...sh_involve.gif

The suicide one - it's a little more interesting:

Take this one:

http://primarypsychiatry.com/wp-cont...Ran_F2_big.gif

which shows the typical pattern - however, you are partly right - there has been a rise in middle-aged suicide amongst men in the western world over the last 10-20 years - some more reading on it suggests that it is related to midlife crisis, divorce, loss of access to kids, financial pressures etc.

which gives something more like this:

http://imaging.ubmmedica.com/CME/pt/...ubersteinF.gif

Either way - it's a scandal IMO that it isn't addressed as it should be.

TDL
the rates women vs men show men are a higher risk.
Just because the rate declines with age is irlevent they are still a stat the still favours women, Thus using your earlier logic.
Men are a higher risk and inferior to women as a potential leader.

[TheDemonLord]

TDL
the rates women vs men show men are a higher risk.
Just because the rate declines with age is irlevent they are still a stat the still favours women, Thus using your earlier logic.
Men are a higher risk and inferior to women as a potential leader.

Okay then - how many Political leaders have committed suicide?

Furthermore, there is a growing mound of evidence that shows the Male suicide rate (in the west) has a relationship to some of the inequities that are levied against Men.

To that end - if any politician was to show signs of being suicidal, regardless of Gender, I'd want them stood down from their post and treatment sought.

Lastly - it's a misinterpretation of my line of reasoning.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Okay then - how many Political leaders have committed suicide?

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Not nearly enough.

[TheDemonLord]

Not nearly enough.

Never was a truer word spoken.

[oldrider]

The mysterious John Key? - suddenly appeared on the home political scene quickly became prime minister and then just as suddenly ---- disappeared?

He was our leader - Which way did he go?

[TheDemonLord]

The mysterious John Key? - suddenly appeared on the home political scene quickly became prime minister and then just as suddenly ---- disappeared?

He was our leader - Which way did he go?

I dunno - I suspect it was a case of "been there, done that, time for something else"

[Crasherfromwayback]

The mysterious John Key? - suddenly appeared on the home political scene quickly became prime minister and then just as suddenly ---- disappeared?

He was our leader - Which way did he go?

I dunno - I suspect it was a case of "been there, done that, time for something else"

My guess is some cunt had some dirt on him.

[TheDemonLord]

My guess is some cunt had some dirt on him.

but nothing ever stuck to Teflon-John.

[Crasherfromwayback]

but nothing ever stuck to Teflon-John.

Reckon. Slimy cunt. I reckon if some cunt had hit him in the face with a dick, he would've munched it though.

[sidecar bob]

My guess is some cunt had some dirt on him.

No facts or proof, just "my guess", in absence of any evidence whatsoever.
At least it makes you look a little bitter & biased.
How's life up Jacinda's arse anyway? Must be starting to get a bit crowded now.

[Crasherfromwayback]

No facts or proof, just "my guess", in absence of any evidence whatsoever.
At least it makes you look a little bitter & biased.
How's life up Jacinda's arse anyway? Must be starting to get a bit crowded now.

Yeah, I tend to state I'm only having a wild stab in the dark when I don't know something is a fact. I leave that to fuckwits like yourself. And hey, just because you'd rather suck the pony tail pulling fuckwits cock, not really my problem either.