The 2017 Election Thread

[Katman]

Why would that be you clearly don't. You repeatedly even claim innocent even when clearly proven guilty.
In this case Russia was given a time frame to answer if.
1, They had lost control of the Nerve agent used, that was clearly developed by them
2, or they had in fact used it themselves.
Russia failed to respond to the ultimatum, thus sanctions were brought against them for failing to respond.
It pretty simple (although clearly not simple enough for you to understand)

What about the claim that British authorities have refused to hand over a sample of the supposed nerve agent to Russia for examination?

They seem rather reluctant to give anyone the opportunity to refute their allegations.

[oldrider]

Remember that there has been an "election" in the motherland and Fred Putin is always portrayed as being strong on every issue (Russian's like strong)...

It makes interesting discussion where "wet" work is conducted in certain countries. Perhaps slow-acting (or, at the least, not instant) poisons are not seen as as this due to the non-instant death? The Gentleman's Agreement might have been slightly re-written with the new Czars protecting their billion-rouble empires.

Fear is the most powerful and easy to administer weapon that there is - all "they" have to do is sow a little seed of fear here there and everywhere to keep it simmering!

Then it is not a big step to up the anti by the desired (war) spending degree according to need greed etc and still keep control of the situation.

Hitler almost got out of control and turned the tables - "They" do not want to see any repeats of that little fiasco happening again!

Mushroom syndrome - keep the population in the dark and feed them measured quantities of bullshit they will (and do!) behave accordingly! Works every time!

Give me control of the finances of the world - I care not who makes the laws! - Springs to mind!

[husaberg]

Remember that there has been an "election" in the motherland and Fred Putin is always portrayed as being strong on every issue (Russian's like strong)...

It makes interesting discussion where "wet" work is conducted in certain countries. Perhaps slow-acting (or, at the least, not instant) poisons are not seen as as this due to the non-instant death? The Gentleman's Agreement might have been slightly re-written with the new Czars protecting their billion-rouble empires.

Interestingly the poison used when applied properly is almost undetectable as it looks like a natural death its only detectable if you go looking for it or if used in to low a dose.
This series of Nerve agent was actually used in an internal struggle in Russia were a banker was killed.
in this case the murder of Ivan Kivelidi and Zara Ismailova. where Vladimir Khutsishvili, a former business partner of the banker was convicted of murder.

The Russian ministry of foreign affairs analysed the substance and announced that it was "a phosphorus-based military-grade nerve agent" "whose formula was strictly classified".According to Nesterov, the administrative head of Shikhany, he did not know of "a single case of such poison being sold illegally" and noted that the poison "is used by professional spies

Yet the nerve agent was alledged to be obtained from a former lab employee who was Leonard Rink, He told police he had been storing poisons in his garage and selling them to pay off debts.
Some in Russia believe Vladimir Khutsishvili was framed by the security forces who wanted rid of Ivan Kivelidi. As the alleged source of the poison was not even detained in relation to this for at least 10 years.
Who knows what actually happened in both cases other than a Russian developed nerve agent was used in an attempt kill someone.

What about the claim that British authorities have refused to hand over a sample of the supposed nerve agent to Russia for examination?

They seem rather reluctant to give anyone the opportunity to refute their allegations.

Yet another Katman gish gallop.
The Russians had the opportunity to refute they chose to not answer the questions posed to them.
Did you not comprehend that?

Why would that be you clearly don't. You repeatedly even claim innocent even when clearly proven guilty.
In this case Russia was given a time frame to answer if.
1, They had lost control of the Nerve agent used, that was clearly developed by them
2, or they had in fact used it themselves.
Russia failed to respond to the ultimatum, thus sanctions were brought against them for failing to respond.
It pretty simple (although clearly not simple enough for you to understand)

Thus they had sanction's placed against them,
Its pretty simple but clearly going whoosh as it flies over your head.

[jasonu]

Clearly you don't subscribe to the theory of 'innocent until proven guilty'.

Clearly you hand around here to get your jollies.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Or you could 'point us' to some proof that is wasn't Russia behind this latest attack.
but I'm sure you won't.....

It's so so obvious it was Russia.

[Crasherfromwayback]

The Russians had the opportunity to refute they chose to not answer the questions posed to them. Did you not comprehend that?


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It's my understanding they said they'd refuse to answer to any cunt until they had a sample of the toxin used? Is that not fair enough? Like David Bain's lawyers not answering to any cunt unless they were privy to the very same info?

[husaberg]

It's my understanding they said they'd refuse to answer to any cunt until they had a sample of the toxin used? Is that not fair enough? Like David Bain's lawyers not answering to any cunt unless they were privy to the very same info?

Refusing to answer a question is not an answer. As such they were sanctioned.
It was the Russian refusal to answer that resulted in these sanctions
#pretty sure David Bain was not a Russian.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Refusing to answer a question is not an answer. As such they were sanctioned.
It was the Russian refusal to answer that resulted in these sanctions
#pretty sure David Bain was not a Russian.

Fuck off. Would you answer an incredibly serious question until you had all the facts? Rather than just the ones presented by your very own enemies?

[husaberg]

Fuck off. Would you answer an incredibly serious question until you had all the facts? Rather than just the ones presented by your very own enemies?

If they were innocent they would have. The Russians had the facts they needed to be able to answer the simple questions.
They didn't thus they were sanctioned
Seriously are you honestly suggesting they needed a sample of the nerve agent to know if they carried out an attack?
Are you suggesting they needed a sample of the nerve agent to know if they had any go missing?

Note using your own silly analogy, the funny thing is until he was charged David Bain freely spoke with police, he in fact contacted them first.

[jasonu]

If they were innocent they would have. The Russians had the facts they needed to be able to answer the simple questions.
They didn't thus they were sanctioned
Seriously are you honestly suggesting they needed a sample of the nerve agent to know if they carried out an attack?
Are you suggesting they needed a sample of the nerve agent to know if they had any go missing?

Note using your own silly analogy, the funny thing is until he was charged David Bain freely spoke with police, he in fact contacted them first.

Wouldn't it be a bit pointless to give then some?
They would 'test' it then say it wasn't theirs.

[Katman]

If they were innocent they would have. The Russians had the facts they needed to be able to answer the simple questions.

If someone leveled an accusation at me but refused to offer any proof to back up that accusation, I'd tell them to get fucked too.

[husaberg]

If someone leveled an accusation at me but refused to offer any proof to back up that accusation, I'd tell them to get fucked too.

So instead of protesting your innocence, before you could do so, you would need to see all their evidence..
What a crack up you are.
Maybe you should attempt to answer the questions posed as if you not actually the guilty party
Especially considering that from your own accounts of previous dealings with the police, we know you still claim to be innocent, even when you are guilty.

[eldog]

Perhaps there is some trade agreement pending?

[Crasherfromwayback]

If someone leveled an accusation at me but refused to offer any proof to back up that accusation, I'd tell them to get fucked too.

Especially something that serious.

[Crasherfromwayback]

So instead of protesting your innocence, before you could do so, you would need to see all their evidence..
L]

So if the Poms have nothing to hide, and are indeed telling the truth, why not comply with Russia's requests? Seems they're the ones not playing the game.